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Tigers! · 02-02-2006, 03:12 PM

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But what about the animals? Who told the animals that they had to go to the ark and behave while they were there?

What did they feed all these animals the time they were inside the ark?

What about the smell inside the ark?

Who had the job of cleaning all the waste from all these animals?

How do these relate to the OP?

RUmike · 02-02-2006, 04:17 PM

Robert Ingersoll once wrote, " Is there an intelligent man or woman now in the world who believes in the Garden of Eden story? If you find any man who believes it, strike his forehead and you will hear an echo. Something is for rent."

Just replace "Garden of Eden" with "Noah's Ark".

Thomas II · 02-03-2006, 10:25 AM

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How do these relate to the OP?

THINK!

Tigers! · 02-03-2006, 09:55 PM

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THINK!

Despite some careful thinkful thinking I did can't see how your post relates to the orginal OP which said "What criteria did God use to determine who got to go into Noah's ark? ". Nothing about inside the ark.

pharoah · 02-03-2006, 10:33 PM

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The criteria for salvation from the flood was simply to enter the Ark. If they did not enter they would not have been saved. Thus it required an act of will to enter the Ark. They had to believe that Noah was not foolish and telling the truth. Then they had to physically enter the Ark.
So a two stage process - firstly the moral/intellectual assent that Noah was truthful and then secondly the physical assent by entering the Ark. Some of these may well have done the first but not the second. The biblical record is silent concerning Noah's relatives motives.

There is absolutely nowhere in the Genesis story that asserts or even implies that all one had to do to be saved was to enter the ark, or that Noah preached to anyone. This is fanciful 2nd-century Christian apologetics.

Tigers! · 02-04-2006, 03:37 AM

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There is absolutely nowhere in the Genesis story that asserts or even implies that all one had to do to be saved was to enter the ark, or that Noah preached to anyone. This is fanciful 2nd-century Christian apologetics.

The only ones who survived the flood were those who entered the Ark. Those outside all perished.

Johnny Skeptic · 02-04-2006, 06:31 AM

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Why should Noah have been trusted by people who barely knew him, or even by people who knew him well?

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Why shouldn't he be trusted? Did they have reason not to trust him?

The point is, why did they have reason to trust him?

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What do the texts say about Noah's character? Well, Genesis 6:8 says "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord." Believe it or not, that is all that is said about Noah's character! Eso es todo! C'est tout!

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Sorry, my French is almost non-existent.

Eso es todo is Spanish for "that's all." C'est tout is French for "that's all." My point is that while the texts say that God was pleased with Noah, it doesn't give any reasons why people should have listened to Noah.

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Actually, Noah's character was not an issue at all. The sinfulnesses of mankind was the only issue. If Noah, his immediate family, and his in-laws did not exist, God would have killed all of the other people in the world anyway.

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Good character does not save one from drowning, only a sea-worthy vessel will. There was much opportunity for others to avail themselves of the offer of salvation. Right until the rains came and the fountains of the deep burst open, the door was open. Good character does not guarantee wisdom nor odedience. It is most certainly indicative but not absolute.

What do you mean by "There was much opportunity for others to avail themselves of the offer of salvation?" At that time, the vast majority of the people in the world had never heard of the God of the Bible. Even today, some people have never heard of the God of the Bible.

SkyDancer_0202 · 02-04-2006, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers!

The criteria for salvation from the flood was simply to enter the Ark. If they did not enter they would not have been saved. Thus it required an act of will to enter the Ark. They had to believe that Noah was not foolish and telling the truth. Then they had to physically enter the Ark.
So a two stage process - firstly the moral/intellectual assent that Noah was truthful and then secondly the physical assent by entering the Ark. Some of these may well have done the first but not the second. The biblical record is silent concerning Noah's relatives motives.

were in the bible does it mention this, please? did Noah or god send out engraved invitations? I don't recall.

SkyDancer_0202 · 02-04-2006, 07:16 AM

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The only ones who survived the flood were those who entered the Ark. Those outside all perished.

this didn't answer his question (or mine)

John Kesler · 02-04-2006, 08:55 AM

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were in the bible does it mention this, please? did Noah or god send out engraved invitations? I don't recall.

2 Peter 2:5 calls Noah a "preacher of righteousness" and 1 Peter 3:18-20 claims that Christ preached to "spirits in prison" while God waited patiently as the ark was being constructed. The OT text says nothing about this.

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RUmike Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 491	Robert Ingersoll once wrote, " Is there an intelligent man or woman now in the world who believes in the Garden of Eden story? If you find any man who believes it, strike his forehead and you will hear an echo. Something is for rent." Just replace "Garden of Eden" with "Noah's Ark".

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