Originally Posted by aa5874

But, your task is such a PIECE of Cake.

It will take a few minutes.

Examine Mark 14.37. gMark's Jesus SCOLDS his supposed disciple, Peter.

Mr 14:37 -

And now in Mark 14.38, gMark's Jesus ADMONISHES the disciples to WATCH and PRAY to AVOID temptation.



Why should the disciples WATCH and PRAY? Their FLESH was weak and was liable to FALL to TEMPTATION.

It is obvious that in gMark Jesus was making reference to the FLESH of the disciples.

And now, Jesus in gMark would go back to pray and come back three times to find those weak FLESH disciples with HEAVY eyes.

Mark 14.39-41

You must have NOTICED that gMark's Jesus did NOT say MY FLESH is weak.

The author of gMark MISSED every opportunity to show that his Jesus had FLESH.

Now, Peter and the disciples would later PROVE their FLESH was INDEED weak in gMark.

Mark 14.50

Mark 14.71 The disciples' had FLESH and it was WEAK in gMark and FELL to TEMPTATION.

gMark's Jesus had NO FLESH. He NEVER Fell to TEMPTATION.

FLESH must FALL to TEMPTATION.

After all, that is what FLESH must DO.

The Jesus of gMark had NO FLESH.

Originally Posted by Solo

One thing worth noting here is that Jesus does not deny being a phantasma as he gets in the boat. He merely says: 'cheer up, it is I, have no fear !'. I think Mark was deliberately playing with the dual nature of Christ, IOW poking fun at the Petrine view of Jesus as merely a fleshy idol - denying his complementary nature as a Spirit. I also read Matthew's account of Peter's unsuccesful walk on water as counter-ridiculing the Paulines. It was their insistence that the followers are 'Christ's' imitators that irked the Petrines. Matthew was saying to Mark (who was a Pauline): no follower of Christ could be like him - see even the first disciple, Peter, tried it on the sea and failed miserably.

Best,
Jiri

Originally Posted by jakejonesiv

Hi AA,

OK, I can see your point. Well done. But in gMark, Jesus was tempted to try to avoid the crucifixion.
But if Jesus had no flesh and could not be tempted, why did he pray to his Father in Heaven (according to Mark 14:35 ff) if possible the hour might pass from him, and "Take this cup from me."

If he had no flesh, and thus could suffer no pain, what was he afraid of in gMark?

Jake