Chili

He is the patron saint of Judiasm just as Joseph is the patron saint of Catholicism where the OT is 'updated' with the NT and Isaac is replaced with Christ the Universal.

God did not choose but Abraham did and so did Joseph. God is just a natural responder to the primary action of Abraham and Joseph who both were God-in-becoming. The potential to be one of those is universal regardless of how great they were.

Dharma

God chose Abraham just like God chose Mt. Ararat to be the tallest mountain.

These are not facts of history or geography. Both stories are not to be taken LITERALLY -- if you did take these stories literally, you couldn't overcome all of the factual errors and contradictions.

motorhead

His neighbor Hayem was out when God stopped by, so God said "Eh, I'll pick Abraham, what the hell."

RED DAVE

From Johnny Skeptic:
Antisemitism rears its ugly head.

RED DAVE

Johnny Skeptic

Why didn't you answer my question, and also the topic question in this thread? I was only stating facts. Do you dispute this? Since the founding of Christianity, the vast majority of Jews have always been anti-Christ, and yet you accused me of being anti-Semetic. Do you admire the history of the Jewish people through to the present?

Deuteronomy 14:2 says "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth." What has ever been holy and peculiar about Jews?

austin2

why was the Buddha chosen?

or Vishnu chosen?

each people have their own history relating the beginning of their 'peoplehood' and religious beliefs

the Bible is the Jewish equivalent of ' Mahabharata and Ramayana ' , the Icelandic Eddas etc..

the main difference being that most people give more credence to the Jewish Bible than to the other stories, and resent the Jews for being the subject of the Biblical relationship with G-d.

austin2

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thats not an assumption, that is what is written in the BIble


if Jews are powerful enough to kill G-d, sure hope you are very afraid of Jews.

if Jesus was messiah as his followers believe, G-d sent Jesus to die for you..so what is it? G-d sent Jesus to die?

or did Jews kill G-d? you are very confused


how do you prove Jesus was the messiah? if Jesus is the Messiah of the Jewish Bible, which prophesies did Jesus fulfill?

Dharma

Actually, only Christians and Muslims resent this relationship (or give this relationship more credence than other people who make similar claims) because they really don't understand most spiritual scriptures.

However, Buddha did not consider himself chosen, he said he became a Buddha because he was in the right place at the right time. There is no beginning of a "buddhist people" as a tribe or nation -- it is the most universal spiritual tradition.

Anat

Holiness is perceived from within the culture that defines it. What is holy in one culture isn't in another. From the traditional Jewish perspective (from the Helenic period on) holiness means dedication to the worship of their one deity, regardless of outcome to the individual.

RED DAVE

From Johnny Skeptic:
From RED DAVE:
From Johnny Skeptic:
Because something more important came up: antisemiticism.

From Johnny Skeptic:
Some of it.

From Johnny Skeptic:
Of course I did when you say disgusting things like: "The descendants of Abraham had Jesus killed." Why do you think we reject Jesus? Besides the fact that nothing in the Jewish tradition coincides with Jesus' identity as you couch it, you have been persecuting us and murdering us for about 1500 years.

From Johnny Skeptic:
It has its good moments and bad.

From Johnny Skeptic:
What has ever been holy and peculiar about any religious or national group?

RED DAVE