steamer

If this god exists, I hope I die on one of his good days. I'd rather think Christians would hope so too. If they die on one of his evil days I'm sure many of them would think that he was quite evil for sending them to an undeserved torment.

sharon45

Well, it is a very bias story afterall, but it would seem clear enough that it was because jesus was trying his best to make god out like an extreme liar.

If it were really up to me, I would have just made a fool of him constantly with the opposing facts.

Huxley

That depends on whom you would ask. If you were to ask the Christians that question, they would tell you that Jesus was crucified because He was God's only begotten Son, who was the only sinless human being to have ever existed, and that He died for everybody elses death would not have to be in vein like his. That is the Christian's theory.

However, if you look at other philosophies out there, they claim that Christ was just a human being, who practiced sorcery, and he was crucified [executed] because practicing sorcery, or any other type of magick, was punishable by death during that period of time.

Yeah. In a way.....yes I can see where you are coming from. Would this be an everlasting torment? From what I picked up on the Bible, I have reason to believe it wouldn't be, and here is my proof:

"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." - Ezekiel 18:4

The physical aspect of death itself is inevitable. We all know that at sometime in life, everyone is going to die. It is impossible to live forever. Some deaths are non-tormenting, like those who go to sleep one night and just never wake up, while others suffer tormenting death, such as cancer just to name one of the many possible tormenting ways to go.

The aspect of spiritual death is very scary because it is unknown. We do not even know whether it exists or not, let alone whether it would be better or worse than the death we suffer on the physical plane. That is all fear is, an apprehension of what we do not know. However, if you were to ask my opinion of what a spiritual death would be like, assuming the Bible is correct, would be like being cut off from everything. Imagine total isolation, no food, no love, nothing, until you just withered up and died. To me, that is is the picture I get when I read about spiritual death in the Bible.

Would it be everlasting? No, but it would sure seem like it. You would just wither up and fade into nothing. Sort of like dying of starvation, not everlasting but definitely slow and very unpleasant.

Chili

But they did do just that. He was no 'push-over' and was not happy until he could righfully say "it is finished." What in fact he did was have the Jews make a God out of him by crucifying his Jewish Jesus identity and make them clean up any trace of his Jewish identity is his wake. Hence, they deny him still today.

Howard

God is NOT evil… and he’ll kill anyone who says he is.

Johnny Skeptic

I am still waiting for Christians to post good evidence that God is not evil.

Chili

Because as the first cause he is also exhausted by the first casue?

God is the creator of the essence of all being (the God of the living). Notice that in Gen.2 Lord God takes over and is not God but is the mainfestation of God.

In Gen.3 'like god' was added by means of conjecture and that is when evil first began. Evil is us, as in you and me for as long as we are divided between God and like god. Evil is the negative stand of the good that is paid for in the form of pleasure and pain that motivate us but are illusions nonetheless.

Accordingly, God is two causes removed from evil and that is exactly the difference between heaven and earth.

sharon45

It must be very interesting from where you sit.

Chili

I pretend a lot but I see the same evil in religion that you do. If I defend anything it is the the philosophy behind Catholicism and that is about where my defense of religion ends.

Stumpjumper

Hah.

I have finally understood what you wrote about three months ago in a long gone thread. I agree and I thought I did then but was not sure...