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Lógos Sokratikós · 03-27-2005, 05:09 PM

But Guantanamo is the best. Far from possible protesters. Castro to help (if he doesn't, he'll get it. And we all know what it is).

Nearest thing to perfection. Cuba is still useful after all.

1) Imagine if Cuba was a free nation, like the rest of Latin America. The protests would be terrible.

2) Cuba is the proverbial other to point out in indignation.

George Oilwell · 03-27-2005, 05:11 PM

Every picture you have may or may not be what you and 'Alex Jones' are telling us it is.
I'm leaning more towards the likelyhood that these pictures are of something other than a 'concentration camp' until I see hard evidence that they are.

Marching Folly · 03-27-2005, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew J

What country is that flag from again?

NAZI camps at whatsmells.com

Look at the picture. Read the words on the sign. The top two lines, you may notice, say:

"SFOR Checkpoint."

Operation Joint Forge, NATO SFOR:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...oint_forge.htm

So obviously it's a prison camp in the middle of the USA. Of all possible explanations, that one is mostly likely.

Drew J · 03-27-2005, 05:14 PM

Uh, it's not merely what Alex and I say, it is what that one American citizen said it was; ya know, that guy who wrote the letter.
Ashcroft loves the camps, FEMA makes preparations for an attack,Camps on Okanagon

Lógos Sokratikós · 03-27-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc Clarke

Those prison camp photos aren't even from the same locations. Look at the background scenery, foliage, etc.

Time to replace the tinfoil in you hat.

Sure. Drew maybe overdoing it, but Guantanamo is real. And you can do inimaginable things there, practically impossible to do in the US.

One more against Drew's position: Bush needs credibility. He doesn't want to fall for the mistakes Hitler did. He still needs a façade of credibility. Plus, even with fundamentalist fanaticism, the US has a greater democratic culture than 1920's Germany had.

It would be a bad idea if W pulled that one. He's a smart president.

Uuuh... Ok. I'll take cover!

Drew J · 03-27-2005, 05:20 PM

Doc there are hundreds of camps in America and many different types of vegetation or lackthereof in America too. There are camps in almost every state. What's your point? You expect so called conspiracy theorists to take their pictures all at the same location? That would only be if they were all concentrated in one area of the country. And we all know how likely that is.

Marching Folly · 03-27-2005, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew J

Here is a page with photos of camps and transportation equipment.

Prisoner of War Camp Photo

Look in the little circle, where you can see the blue, white, and red lines.

Now look at this Yugoslav / Serbia/Montenegro flag.

Compare and contrast.

Have you finished comparing and contrasting?

Good.

So obviously, the most likely explanation is that this is pic of a prison camp in the middle of the United States, perhaps in California, and is evidence for a gigantic conspiracy. :banghead:

Drew J · 03-27-2005, 05:29 PM

And ashcroft talking about detention camps for "enemy combatants" is the real media hoax too I bet. He never said that. There are no camps in America. Who said anything about that? Not Ashcroft.

Drew J · 03-27-2005, 05:35 PM

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An Executive Order signed by then President BUSH in 1989 authorized the Federal Emergency Management Agency [F.E.M.A.] to build 43 primary camps [having a capacity of 35,000 to 45,000 prisoners EACH and also authorized hundreds of secondary facilities. It is interesting to note that several of these facilities can accommodate 100,000 prisoners. These facilities have been completed and many are already manned but as yet contain no prisoners. [Remember all the TALK of over-crowded prisons that exist -BTW]. In south Georgia there are several state prisons that, except for a few guards, are completely devoid of prisoners. Submitted by Col (Dr.) Byron T. Weeks 11-3-97

from this page.

More from that page:

Quote:

I've personally visited these camps and taken pictures. They are REAL. They are manned. They have moats, motion sensors, inner berms to hide the main complexes, guards at the gates, electric gates, processing centers, and of course, high fences with razor wire and barbs, pointing inward - not outward - but inward to KEEP PEOPLE IN. The larger facilities are called golf courses or water treatment plants. When was the last time you saw a golf course ( Portland, Oregon ) with armed guards carrying M16's?Why do the larger facilities have smokestacks? Ever seen a crematorium? The smaller facilities are usually holding facilities, obviously designed for the short-term round ups prior to the hapless souls being shipped off to their final destination somewhere else.

You have to know that it was never my intention to uncover this information to frighten anyone or get publicity, as some may claim. As my readers are well aware, I stumbled across this stuff in research for a new book. I have a family and want to see them grow up with a father who is alive, not dead. Reporting this type of information has made me very unpopular with the government and I've been warned by the FBI to 'mind my own business.' Unlike some of my contemporaries however, I've chosen to research these camp claims for myself.

I HAD to see them with my own eyes. They do exist. But the real question that needs to be asked - and fast - is why? Why are they being built? Who are they for? And why does the government deny their existence? A friend of mine and I discovered 32 camps in just one county in Colorado alone. You can drive right up to them. However, the Department of Corrections in Colorado, the Marshall's Office, the County Sheriffs office, and the Federal agencies all claim there is nothing at these sites except lonesome prairie. And that's just a flat out lie.

Marching Folly · 03-27-2005, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew J

And ashcroft talking about detention camps for "enemy combatants" is the real media hoax too I bet. He never said that. There are no camps in America. Who said anything about that? Not Ashcroft.

Compare and contrast.

The flag.

The little circle.

Compare and contrast...

Compare and contrast...

What's the most likely explanation?

http://skepdic.com/occam.html

Is it even possible that the pic could be from, say, the former Yugoslavia, or are you 100% sure that it is in the USA?

Can I ask you a question?

Did you look at the pictures before you posted them? Did you look at them carefully? Did you even notice the little circle that looks curiously like a Yugoslav flag? If so, what did you think it was?

What do you think it is now?

Give up now. Go sit in the corner. Cry.

Game.

Set.

Match.

:devil1:

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03-27-2005, 05:09 PM	#11
Lógos Sokratikós Contributor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virtually right here where you are Posts: 11,138	But Guantanamo is the best. Far from possible protesters. Castro to help (if he doesn't, he'll get it. And we all know what it is). Nearest thing to perfection. Cuba is still useful after all. 1) Imagine if Cuba was a free nation, like the rest of Latin America. The protests would be terrible. 2) Cuba is the proverbial other to point out in indignation.

03-27-2005, 05:11 PM	#12
George Oilwell Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Woop woop Posts: 3,847	Every picture you have may or may not be what you and 'Alex Jones' are telling us it is. I'm leaning more towards the likelyhood that these pictures are of something other than a 'concentration camp' until I see hard evidence that they are.

03-27-2005, 05:14 PM	#14
Drew J Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,373	Uh, it's not merely what Alex and I say, it is what that one American citizen said it was; ya know, that guy who wrote the letter. Ashcroft loves the camps, FEMA makes preparations for an attack,Camps on Okanagon

03-27-2005, 05:20 PM	#16
Drew J Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,373	Doc there are hundreds of camps in America and many different types of vegetation or lackthereof in America too. There are camps in almost every state. What's your point? You expect so called conspiracy theorists to take their pictures all at the same location? That would only be if they were all concentrated in one area of the country. And we all know how likely that is.

03-27-2005, 05:29 PM	#18
Drew J Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,373	And ashcroft talking about detention camps for "enemy combatants" is the real media hoax too I bet. He never said that. There are no camps in America. Who said anything about that? Not Ashcroft.

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