Angrillori

Hey Salieri, I don't know if you missed this, but it seems appropriate. Since you haven't started taking my advice, and posting in a more formal, and easier-to-understand manner, I've formed some arguments in favor of doing so:

P1) If you want your hearers to understand your arguments you will make them as easy to understand as possible.
P2) It would be easier to understand your arguments if they were in a more formal style.
C1) If you want us to understand them, you will present them in a more formal style.

P1) If you want to defend god with your best possible arguments, then you will do everything possible to strengthen your arguments.
P2) Posting in a formal style would help you strengthen your arguments.
C1) If you want to defend god with your best possible arguments, you will post in a formal style.

P1) Some unbelievers would convert if you offered a sound and valid argument.
P2) You want unbelievers to convert.
C1) You want to offer a sound and valid argument.

P3=C1) You want to offer a sound and valid argument.
P4) A formal style makes it more likely you will offer a sound and valid argument.
C2) You want to post in a formal style.


Please feel free to point out unsound premises, so I can defend them, or places where I commit logical fallacies. I would welcome the opportunity to clear them up!

Hope to help!!

Gawen

Since this is the Existence of God/s forum, and the OP does not address this by asking atheists what their belief in a higher power is, I'm moving this to Elsewhere.

JCS

So who is to blame for what you contend is such a seriously flawed design? ?

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men destroy nature everyday by cutting down trees, bombing places until they become wastelands, polluting rivers, etc.

By your own words man is a complete fuckup. Seems the designer has some serious design flaws to work out.


Look up assbackwards and you will find your quote there. You assert a god(s) exists, then ask for our proof that it doesn't, nice work if you can get it.


What is more desperate than inventing answers in order to satisfy curiosity? When I say I don't know I'm being desperate and when you assert a story invented thousands of years ago you have a grip? Yeah if you say so.


See you're confused again. I'm not looking since it is only a curiousity, not a prerequisite to a satisfying life. If an answer is found swell great what ever, but rest assured I'm not looking for it, how would I recognize it even if I found it?

biomed0101

What a pity! It was an interesting discussion.

Krosis

does not an argument make.

-K

Ojuice5001

So far, there has been only one nation to seriously attempt to control the weather. That nation is Israel.

Ego Licet Visum

The USAF has created mild lightning and experimented with creating rain before.

For lightning they shoot a charged rocket into the sky, but keep it tethered to the ground. The difference in electrical charge between the rocket and the sky results in the rocket getting hit by a weak bolt of lightning.

They have also worked on ways to introduce a dust into the atmosphere, providing something for rain drops to condense on resulting in rain.



Salieri, nature is more then trees and squirrels and bunny rabbits. Everything is part of nature because nothing that is impossible has ever happened or existed. Everything that has ever been and will ever be will be natural.

Salieri

Sorry, but i believe Christ's opinions over my own. He has made them very clear in the bible. Again, you either believe the words of Christ or the words of men, do you not? Oh you can call Christ's words the word of Kelah or Komar or whatever made-up name that comes from your imagination, but they are still not my words or your words. They are the words that bring us eternal life and no one else's words in the world can bring us that. That is what makes them different than the words of men. Again, men live to glorify God or to glorify themselves.

Salieri

So what does duplicating nature prove? You are using nature to duplicate what already existed. And what does nothing that is impossible has ever existed got to do with anything? That is a no-brainer. What matters, however, is who knows what is possible or impossible? Again, the ancients never conceived that men could fly to the moon yet it happened. If the miracle of nature and man himself are natural then what is impossible?

Kassiana

::glares at you:: That sounds like the Gnomish heresy to me, pal. Are you sure you're not an Elvist?
--The Church of True Disbelief in Elves, Not To Be Confused With The Church of "True" Disbelief in Gnomes, Those Lousy Pikers