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LeeBuhrul · 03-03-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bible Thumper

Our God is a Forgiving God. You will be Forgiven for making such a statement.
-selah.

or wouldn't if he were real....

maybe if you stopped thumping your bible long enough to read some of it you'd know better what you speak of

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Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

TySixtus · 03-03-2005, 07:14 PM

Hey TBT,

Since you've ignored this twice already...

Can you explain how plants appeared before sunlight?

Thanks,

Ty

The Bible Thumper · 03-03-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TySixtus

Hey TBT,

Since you've ignored this twice already...

Can you explain how plants appeared before sunlight?

Thanks,

Ty

Ignored it twice, you say?! I feel like I have adressed it a thousand times, for crying out loud!

There are many floral organisms that do not need light. Not that any of this matters; Genesis makes it specific that God creates light before the algae mat, or any other plant for that matter.

Hyndis · 03-03-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bible Thumper

There are many floral organisms that do not need light. Not that any of this matters; Genesis makes it specific that God creates light before the algae mat, or any other plant for that matter.

Last I checked, the most important ingredient for photosynthesis is sunlight. It provides the energy for the plant cells to produce sugars from CO2, water, and various random nutrients in the soil or water.

Coragyps · 03-03-2005, 07:23 PM

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There are many floral organisms that do not need light.

Floral organisms............ :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: all postdate the first land animals by about 200,000,000 years<edit>.

The Bible Thumper · 03-03-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeBuhrul

or wouldn't if he were real....

maybe if you stopped thumping your bible long enough to read some of it you'd know better what you speak of

Amen. God makes it His will and desire to destroy the sinful man He created!

Imagine a world ruled by Nazi's. Everyone's enslaved. Many starve to death in camps. Would you, being under current enslavement, curse God? Now, suppose God destroys the Nazi's. What would you do? Curse, or offer praise that God destroyed the sinful man? Well?

Coragyps · 03-03-2005, 07:27 PM

What the fuck are you on about now, TBT? Where do the Nazis fit into this?

Hyndis · 03-03-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bible Thumper

Amen. God makes it His will and desire to destroy the sinful man He created!

Imagine a world ruled by Nazi's. Everyone's enslaved. Many starve to death in camps. Would you, being under current enslavement, curse God? Now, suppose God destroys the Nazi's. What would you do? Curse, or offer praise that God destroyed the sinful man? Well?

One genocide is evil, but two are good? :huh:

TySixtus · 03-03-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Genesis 1:11-13

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day.

Okay, now watch this. Plants bearing fruit require sunlight. While you are right that there are some 'plants' that don't require sunlight, they also don't 'bear fruit'. So you can't have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by Genesis 1:14-18

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day.

You say god already created light. Well, see here is the problem. "Light" comes from these things out in space called "stars". It's really long and complicated but trust me on this: stars had to come first. Ergo, this shit is out of order.

So either god 'created' light twice, first as an ambiguous entity and then as a product of stars or...... (wait for it!)....

None of this shit ever happened!

Ty

Refused · 03-03-2005, 07:33 PM

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[sigh]
Refused, I not only gave an Earth scientist analogue TWICE, but also supplied you with a link that shows my standpoint clearly on the matter! Genesis, as opposed to pagans, romans, grecians and even scientists up to the 20th century, has proven to be an accuurate accounting of Creation! Why do you and people like you have such a hard time with that? Can't you just go back tot he link I supplied? It mirrors everything Earth scientists and Cosmologists have said, and reflects clearly my knowledge, as well! Just go back and read the link. Or, bury thru the many threads here to find mine, which says the same, basic thing. Does this answer your question? If not, then let me know...

Um, not quite. Listen, anyone can take a creation myth and mangle it so bad and insert wild interpretations here and there to make it fit what actual science shows evidence for.

What I asked, Your Arrogance, is that you provide secular sources. The link you provided in your OP is clearly NOT secular.

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and even scientists up to the 20th century

TBT, we falsified Genesis long before this. No one here can help that you stretch the text to the point of actually "appearing" to fit science... well, most of science.

Try again. Less dodging next time. Oh, and if you can't, please type: "The material presented poses evidence-in-truth that exceeds the content of anything I may rebut with."

Again, please show a reputable secular source that backs your version of creation/cosmology.

- Refused

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TySixtus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rachacha NY Posts: 4,219	Hey TBT, Since you've ignored this twice already... Can you explain how plants appeared before sunlight? Thanks, Ty

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