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ex-xian · 07-07-2004, 11:00 PM

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Before the legions of rabid comic book fans smash HerFlamingLiberal to a bloody pulp in their gaping collective maw, I'll be the first to say it. Spiderman can't shoot webs without special web-gun-thingies. The organic webbing was a rather noticable change made in the movie from the source material.
We might get into a debate as to which version of spiderman is involved in the fight in question. In a fight as geeky as this one, I'd assume the two combatants would be the original comic book incarnations of the two heroes, rather than any of the various film adaptions, meaning sorry, in a locker room fight there wouldn't be too much webbing.

edit: ...strange... adjective choice

I think I remember reading an interview with Stan Lee where he said that he originally had planned for Spidey to shoot the webs out of his skin, but for some reason (that I can't recall) changed his mind.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ · 07-08-2004, 12:51 AM

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So does GL have any weaknesses? The one thing I always liked about DC characters is that no matter how powerful they were, there was always something that could bring them down.

It's a different set of rings--it has a few limitations that it didn't use to have, but I'm not terribly certain of what they are. I know that it no longer has the protection from fatal blows power that it used to.

Jinksy · 07-08-2004, 04:07 AM

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How is that wrong? Doctor Octopus is a normal guy with a gadget attached to him and he routinely beats the crap out of spidey.

Routinely? He's dead

And his entire ability comes from a single uber-gadget which is far more reliable than anything Batman's ever used. Besides which, I've only ever come across one instance of him winning a direct fight with Spiderman, which he did by trapping them in a tiny room preprepared to suit his abilities and nullify Spiderman's.

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Why would spider man be a totally unknown opponent to Batman assuming they could somehow meet. He is one of hte most famous heroes of hte marvel universe, if we can fabricate a meeting I think we can assume Batman has at least basic knowledge about Spidermans powers and such.

And vice versa...

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You are highly overestimating Spiderman's spider sense, which is not a tracking device, and I assume you are being hyperbolic on the speed.

Well the speed's a guess rather than a precise measurement, and I just looked them up and it seems as though I overestimated them, but still:

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His reflexes are faster than an average human by about a factor of 15 (he is often able to dodge bullets, if he is far enough away). Spider-Man is extraordinarily limber and his tendons and connective tissues are twice as elastic as the average human being's, despite their enhanced strength. He has developed a unique fighting style that makes full use of his agility, strength, and equilibrium.

[from http://www.marveldirectory.com/indiv.../spiderman.htm ] As for his Spidersense, he has regularly used it that way. It's very versatile, and it's limitations are more a case of certain writers underplaying it at particular moments to make the story they want:

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Spider-Man possesses an extrasensory "danger" or "spider" sensewhich warns him of potential immediate danger by tingling sensation in the back of his skull. The precise nature of this sense is unknown. It appears to be a simultaneous clairvoyant responce to a wide variety of phenomena (everything from falling safes to speeding bullets to thrown punches), which has given several hundredths of a second's warning, which is sufficient time for his reflexes to allow him to avoid injury. The sense also can create a general resonse on the order of several minutes: he cannot discern the nature of the threat by the sensation. He can, however, discern the severity of the danger by the strength of his response to it. Spider-Man's fighting style incorporates the advantage that his "spidey-sense" provides him.

[from the same site]

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No he hasn't. I mean he isn't even close to being the most elite fighter in the marvel universe

Non-sequitur. He's outsmarted everyone he's fought against, and neither he nor Batman are the best fighters in their respective universes.

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I can't remember, but were Spidey tracers part of the comic or part of the cartoon? I distinctly remember he had tiny little transmitters that he could attach to someone.

Part of the comic, but that's not what I was talking about - he can sense anyone nearby who has evil intent if he's deliberately focusing on looking for them. The tracers are much longer range.

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I'm the one who started this thread, and while I don't consider myself to be as big a nerd as most people here (though J-T-C did spark my hatred for the JLA) I am touched. I love to provoke people into a frezy.

*Drools rabidly*

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Not quite on par with, say, Superman, or even Superman's tax accountant.

He ain't fighting either of them!

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Which is all well and good, except for the fact that if he wanted to, Batman could devise a gun which would teleport bullets directly into Spider-Man's spinal column.

Errrh? Batman can't just invent anything he wants, y'know... Their inventing-ability is pretty closely comparable - which supports the idea that Parker is smarter, since he doesn't have anywhere near the budget Wayne does.

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If that were true, he'd be unable to be harmed by anything short of a thermonuclear weapon.

Yoda's not that good.

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Strength isn't all there is to hand-to hand combat; for that reason, beating a big moron isn't really a breathtaking feat.

I refer you to UFC and its ilk again - it takes a lot of skill to overcome superior strength (look at the success of fighters like Bob Sapp).

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However much time it took Spidey to beat Rhino, Batman could've done it in half.

Argumentum ad Bat Invincibilum doesn't hold water in this discussion

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i think you're all forgetting one very important thing here...
batman got his ass kicked by a 400 pound schizophernic black man. he wrote a song about it.

I'm not

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About the whole comparison...remember that Batman beat Superman...ala an non-human.

Nooo, not that story again! Look, the only reason Batman beat Superman is because fans wanted to see the fight and DC had to have Batman win to avoid a stupid anticlimax (and the cost of wiping Brucey off the pavement). I haven't read the story, but did Batman really match Superman in hand to hand combat? That sounds impossibly hard to believe, and would constitute absolute proof of the scriptwriter's insanity

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Originally Posted by Soul Invictus
Come on now, has Spider-Man beat anyone remotely close to being non-human?

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Originally Posted by infinity

venom and carnage come pretty close
so does the beyonder, and hobgoblin (an alien and a denom spawn, respectively)

You mean Demogoblin, right? There's Carrion, too. And Doppelganger.

I should go home before someone decides to flush my head down the toilet

ZeusTKP · 07-08-2004, 04:57 AM

I'm not a big fan of comic book heroes in general. Having said that, I voted for Batman.

Batman might be gay (especially in the original TV series), but he still has more class than spiderman. There are very few superheroes who don't make me wince in disgust at how corny and one-dimentional they are. Batman is one of them. (Superman is one simply because he's practically God) Spiderman also has his age going against him.

Anyway, it saddens me that Spiderman and Batman, and etc. are so popular.
Have any of you read Sin City? Or Crying Freeman?
I haven't read Judge Dred, but if it's anything like the movie, it's also way better than any of the "regualr" comics.

August Spies · 07-08-2004, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HerFlamingLiberal

Yeah, Batman is a badass. But can he swing through the city, climb walls, and shoot webbing from his skin? WITHOUT tools? I think not. :notworthy:

um... the spiderman I read growing up couldn't do those things without tools either. Remember, he can't shooting webbing from his wrists, that was a dumb movie thing, he shoots them from webshooters he created.

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Have any of you read Sin City? Or Crying Freeman?

I hope you realize that Frank Miller's (creator of Sin City) most famous work is probably the Dark Night Returns series about Batman.

starling · 07-09-2004, 10:49 PM

Batman, of course. Because.... bats eat spiders.

rfwu · 07-09-2004, 11:28 PM

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07-08-2004, 04:57 AM	#114
ZeusTKP Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,852	I'm not a big fan of comic book heroes in general. Having said that, I voted for Batman. Batman might be gay (especially in the original TV series), but he still has more class than spiderman. There are very few superheroes who don't make me wince in disgust at how corny and one-dimentional they are. Batman is one of them. (Superman is one simply because he's practically God) Spiderman also has his age going against him. Anyway, it saddens me that Spiderman and Batman, and etc. are so popular. Have any of you read Sin City? Or Crying Freeman? I haven't read Judge Dred, but if it's anything like the movie, it's also way better than any of the "regualr" comics.

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rfwu Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 1,336	Just found something akin to this thread. Check it out! http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=031016 http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=031018

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