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Susan2 · 09-29-2009, 09:41 AM

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Message to Susan2: In your opinion, is Jesus the only begotten Son of God, and did he miraculously feed 5,000 people as described in the Bible?

So, are you looking for a boxing match Johnny? Are you the High Priest of Freeratio? Am I supposed to be afraid of you?

Lets turn the question around; do you think that you are the only son of god Johnny?

No, I do not think that Jesus fed 5,000 people with two fish and five loaves of bread. I think he fed billions of people with two fish and five loaves of bread. If you want to call that a miracle, there is nothing stopping you; certainly, I am not stopping you.

I like to write Johnny, and every now and then I can write something well. I am currently writing a story about a young boy who sets out on an adventure one sunny morning. Along the way he gets caught up amongst a multitude and is carried along until at last, he finds himself sitting on a hillside. With him he carries his most prized possessions, two fish and five loaves of bread............

You may or may not like my story Johnny, to which I would shrug and say, it is what it is?

You may then ask, what is it? To which I would reply Smooth.

I think Santana calls that Supernatural.

Love Santana! He be the man.

Johnny Skeptic · 09-29-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Susan2

No, I do not think that Jesus fed 5,000 people with two fish and five loaves of bread. I think he fed billions of people with two fish and five loaves of bread.

Based upon what evidence? The Bible does not say that Jesus fed billions of people with two fish and five loaves of bread. Are you saying that Jesus personally, tangibly gave fish and bread to people who lived in China?

Do you believe that Jesus was the only begotten Son of God, physically rose from the dead, was seen by hundreds of people, and was touched by some people?

dog-on · 09-29-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

Message to Susan2: In your opinion, is Jesus the only begotten Son of God, and did he miraculously feed 5,000 people as described in the Bible?

So, are you looking for a boxing match Johnny? Are you the High Priest of Freeratio? Am I supposed to be afraid of you?

Lets turn the question around; do you think that you are the only son of god Johnny?

No, I do not think that Jesus fed 5,000 people with two fish and five loaves of bread. I think he fed billions of people with two fish and five loaves of bread. If you want to call that a miracle, there is nothing stopping you; certainly, I am not stopping you.

I like to write Johnny, and every now and then I can write something well. I am currently writing a story about a young boy who sets out on an adventure one sunny morning. Along the way he gets caught up amongst a multitude and is carried along until at last, he finds himself sitting on a hillside. With him he carries his most prized possessions, two fish and five loaves of bread............

You may or may not like my story Johnny, to which I would shrug and say, it is what it is?

You may then ask, what is it? To which I would reply Smooth.

I think Santana calls that Supernatural.

Love Santana! He be the man.

:notworthy:

Clivedurdle · 10-01-2009, 12:44 PM

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It's a hidden message. "Yeast" identified false doctrine. "Beware the false doctrine of the Pharisees, Sadducees and Herod".

Jesus spoke in parables to the circumstances prevailing. His doctrine was different as compared to the Pharisees, Sadducees and Herod. He told the Pharisees: "ye teach for doctrine the commandments of men", which was as He thought, in opposition to the commandments of God.

Another wondrous contradiction - the Pharisees were interested in the spirit of the law!

Pharisees, Herod and Saducees put together shows a complete non understanding that they were very different groups! The pharisees were very likely to hobnob with publicans and sinners!

dog-on · 10-02-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by storytime

It's a hidden message. "Yeast" identified false doctrine. "Beware the false doctrine of the Pharisees, Sadducees and Herod".

Jesus spoke in parables to the circumstances prevailing. His doctrine was different as compared to the Pharisees, Sadducees and Herod. He told the Pharisees: "ye teach for doctrine the commandments of men", which was as He thought, in opposition to the commandments of God.

Another wondrous contradiction - the Pharisees were interested in the spirit of the law!

Pharisees, Herod and Saducees put together shows a complete non understanding that they were very different groups! The pharisees were very likely to hobnob with publicans and sinners!

A fairly easy error to make for the non-Jewish originators of Christianity.

kimvall · 10-03-2009, 03:20 PM

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Is this was Apologetics is? I always thought Apologetics was when you tried to explain away, make excuses (apologies) for all the contradiction, oddities, etc.?

Apologetics is technically the defense of the faith. The faith involved is basically indefensible since it is full of contradictions and absurdities, so in practice Christian apologetics involves trying to explain these away. But somehow it never involves apologizing.

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And also, making the statement that one of the most famous scenes from the NT actually isn't history, but allegory, would be rather controversial? :constern01:

Or?

(And I'm not being sarcastic, those are genuine statements.)

Except for fundamentalists, most Christians accept that some of the gospels are allegorical and are not literal history. I don't think that most Christians would be very shocked if the feeding scenes were not literal history.

It is only when you describe the existence of Jesus himself as allegory that you start to become controversial.

Ok, thank you for clarifying that (again, not being sarcastic).

I think the thread gone off the deep end but the answer for my questions, so I'm happy.

penguinfan · 10-04-2009, 08:42 AM

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Perhaps a reference to the 12 tribes that would simply be left behind.

I didn't think of that. It could be!

What of the feeding of 4,000 in Decapolis - a Gentile region?

Does seven represent the seven nations of Canaan and, therefore, the Gentile world 'that would simply be left behind'?

sharrock · 10-04-2009, 10:36 AM

I have recently read the following explanations;

http://www.authentic-christianity.or...tm#feeding5000

http://www.authentic-christianity.or...tm#feeding4000

Susan2 · 10-04-2009, 10:51 AM

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I have recently read the following explanations;

http://www.authentic-christianity.or...tm#feeding5000

http://www.authentic-christianity.or...tm#feeding4000

Have you no ideas of your own?

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