Chili

You mean to make the greatest civilization mankind has ever known on this earth, against the will of the have-nots, know-nots and what-not elses? I think the difference is in the color of the rainbow where for some the color green is justice and for others it is envy.

Roger Pearse

You do not, I notice, respond to my query as to where your "quote" comes from.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

sotto voce

Well, of course not! I wasn't born yesterday. One is used to that sort of question in Catholic forums, sure, but obviously not where free thought and rationality are valued. You clearly meant it as a joke; and admittedly I was taken in, for a fraction of a second.

But I take that we are in agreement that 'Christmas' was entirely the invention of the empire and its caricature church, not of the actual church.

Chili

Yes but it is a silly things to ask sheep if they know where they are going as all they can really tell you is that hither and thither they go, and if you ask even the priest all he can say is that hither and tither they must go.

And yes, the Holy Church is just a caricature because holiness does not exist in the natural where Man and God are one, and the actual church you are thinking of is the one you take into the grave and hope for better days ahead.

Sheshbazzar

The Temple of Elohim is now within the mind and 'heart' of men. And it is men whom choose what manner of Power or elohim it is that they will allow to abide within their individual 'Most Holy Place'.

Antiochus Epiphanes selected the thieving and treasonous lackey, the Hellenist Menelaus for the office of The High Priest of the Jews; whom colluding with Antiohcus sought to replace all traditional Hebrew customs and worship with that of the pagan Greeks.
Political events having maddened and impelled Antiochus to slaughter many Jews, and women and children.
On the 25th day of Kislev (December 25th) 167 BCE, Antiochus Epiphanes caused the Temple of YHWH to be desecrated by setting up an idol of Zeus in 'The Most Holy Place,' and by slaughtering swine upon the altar.


In 164 BCE on the 25th day of Kislev (December 25th) exactly 3 years latter to day, The Jews under Judas Maccabee cleansed an rededicated the Temple to Yahweh, The Elohim of Israel, restoring again the ancient and traditional forms of Hebrew worship.

Thus December 25th (although the 'calendar' has been slid about a lot by opposing customs) represents to me that personal choice of what manner of spiritual involvement I will have with this festival.

I am informed by the Holy Books, that my body (and 'heart') is the Temple in which something Mighty dwells.

And I ask of myself what manner of 'Deity' or Mighty Power it is that is dwelling within my Holy Temple.

Is it a graven image? The likeness of some man, accounted to be 'the mighty God' ?

Are swines flesh and the abominations of paganism what I offer up upon my altar?

Do I feast upon such, and am I found rejoicing at a table of idolaters and murderers, celebrating their bloody gains?

Has that "abomination that causes desolation." overtaken my Temple ?

Or have I cleansed this Temple of my body and mind, and made it ready for Something far greater and more powerful than images graven in the likeness of men ?

Come December 25th, every Temple among men will be occupied by something.

It is my hope, and my prayer, that this Temple, having once been cleaned and rededicated, ever after will be found Dedicated to, and occupied by יהוה.

_And not by הסוס For as it is written; 'שקר הסוס לתשועה וברב חילו לא ימלט׃ '

Merry X-mass or Happy 'Hanukkah ha'Beith'

Roger Pearse

<contempt>

Honesty is the best policy.

sotto voce

Oooooh! Careful, now.

As the emperor said to the bishop; though with tongue close to cheek. :devil1:

Indeed it is, Roger. And the truth is that the thought of a Christmas-less world produces a veritable deluge of contradictions, of falsehoods, and of urine. Hindus do 'Christmas'. Muslims do it. Devout atheists do it. Jehovah's Witnesses don't do it, precisely because Arians need something true to proclaim!

It's a farce, this crass, shitty, thuggish, totalitarian world, in't it, Roger.

There's a touch of honesty for ya.


Btw, I always write 'etc.', never 'etc'. Ok?

Chili

I know, I know, and Christ-mass is for Catholics only as heaven is religion specific, or you'd be dragging Buddhists into heaven. Instead, in Christendom all roads lead to Rome and if you want truth to stand on in your life it will take you there, backwards even, kicking and screaming all the way.

She's the great whore chess keeps talking about, who is the envey of them all, and for us She (notice capital C) is the seat of wisdom and the refuge of us all.

'Temple tramp' the Jews called the lesser serpent, but for some reason the greater serpent move to Rome, and She is ours and is ours all alone and much to enigmatic for a stranger passing by.