FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Science & Skepticism > Evolution/Creation
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-10-2004, 05:45 AM   #11
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4,656
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cweb255
<?xml version="1.1"?>
<remark type="smart">You're behind the times aren't you?</remark>
Um no. Version 1.1 is only if use Ethopian or Runic characters in attribute names.

<?xml version="1.1">
<ᚺ1>Wunjo</ᚺ1>

That would be illegal in XML 1.0.

Quote:
<!-- You do much with web programming, HD? -->
Web yes, programming no. But XML is much more than Web technology.
Heathen Dawn is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 10:45 AM   #12
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the west
Posts: 3,295
Default

There have been suggestions, by reputable scientists, that such an ape exists in some areas of Africa. The descriptions have generally sounded to me (and to others more professional) like these are a new subspecies of large chimp which, perhaps because of their size, have some habits in common with gorillas. There is always the possibility that it's a new species or a gorilla/chimp hybrid though. I think the large chimp idea is the most likely.

Keep in mind that some of these areas are hard to get into and do research, both the physical area and often the politics make it difficult. As an example of how long it can take to nail down an observation in these areas (these sightings have been going on for around a hundred years or more now), the "discovery" that chimps in the Tai forest used stones to crack open nuts wasn't accepted as certain until around 20 years ago or so, when the Boesch's did their work there, but those chimps ahd been said to do this for some time -- I believe the first reports in a European journal were during the 1860s. Patience.
anthrosciguy is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 11:38 AM   #13
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Mid-west (U.S.)
Posts: 1,953
Default

i think it is super-cool that we might have found some long lost relatives!!!

SUPA-COOL
Third_Choice is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 11:45 AM   #14
RBH
Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Ohio
Posts: 15,407
Default

anthrosciguy wrote
Quote:
As an example of how long it can take to nail down an observation in these areas (these sightings have been going on for around a hundred years or more now), the "discovery" that chimps in the Tai forest used stones to crack open nuts wasn't accepted as certain until around 20 years ago or so, when the Boesch's did their work there, but those chimps ada been said to do this for some time -- I believe the first reports in a European journal were during the 1860s. Patience.
Darwin mentioned it in Descent of Man (p. 81), where he attributes the observation to an 1844 description in the "Boston Journl of Natural History." I am perpetually amazed at the breadth of Darwin's knowledge of the literature of biology and natural history of his time.

RBH
RBH is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 12:30 PM   #15
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sydney
Posts: 3,997
Default

Are they aquatic?
reprise is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 02:35 PM   #16
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: an inaccessible island fortress
Posts: 10,638
Default

If they are real (remember this is the same area when claims of brontosaurs were made back in the 70's) and they are hanging out in swamps then they might well be a species called "cross river gorillas." This is the rarest species of gorilla and it is thought that fewer than 500 exist. If a new pocket of them has been found this would be wonderful news.
Biff the unclean is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 03:06 PM   #17
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: West London
Posts: 2,337
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Black
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3730574.stm

it appears that they have found a new great ape, though they are not yet sure whether is is a giant chimp, a gorilla chimp hybrid or something else. any thoughts, or is it just too early to say?

Sorry, but there is another thread on this topic Jet Black in which I gave my first response in Miscellaneous Discussions. Could they be merged as it doesn't belong down there, thanks Jet Black.

Here is the link: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=101406

Here is a link with details of Biff's cross river gorillas. Far more likely in my ever so humble opinion.

http://www.berggorilla.de/english/gjournal/crossr.html
Heurismus is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 04:24 PM   #18
Regular Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: In a hole...
Posts: 422
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadend
Accoring to the Beeb:
It could be either gorillas, or champanzee, that happen to follow a distinctive inbreeding pattern to produce this "creature". This is the same idea that explain the enormous diversity of dogs. A hybrid is not possible, because both specie do not share similar sexual orges.
jinto_ is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 04:56 PM   #19
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: West London
Posts: 2,337
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by reprise
Are they aquatic?
According to Biff they are 'cross river gorillas'. Which I find to be a little more plausible than the Chupacabra type mentality which I unfortunately discern in people who should know better. This thread should have been started in Evolution/Creation but here is the link to Jet Blacks OP.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=101391
Heurismus is offline  
Old 10-10-2004, 07:21 PM   #20
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: an inaccessible island fortress
Posts: 10,638
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heurismus
According to Biff they are 'cross river gorillas'.
Now, now I didn't say they were. I said that I hoped that they were. They sound just like cross river gorillas. And since cross river are almost extinct any new group of them would be very welcome news indeed.
Biff the unclean is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:05 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.