No Robots

Like I said, big mistake.

Doug Shaver

According to whom? Besides you, I mean.

sotto voce

According to professional estimates of the number of Bible readers or Bible hearers in England in the last half of the 14th century, which may have been as high as 60%. That's millions.

Doug Shaver

I was not questioning anything about how many people were reading the Bible in 14th century. I was questioning your claim that the Roman Catholic Church was established for the purpose of destroying the "real church."

sotto voce

But those people rejected the medieval church. And lo, the internet was made.

Doug Shaver

Some did and some didn't, and it still provides zero evidence for why the Roman Catholic Church came into existence.

Duvduv

There are conflicting interpretations about those certain suras in the Quran, but the fact is that although the Quran includes some references emanating from the gospels, the persons of Peter/Boutrous and Paul/Bulus are completely absent.

If the writer(s) of the Quran knew about the gospels, they would have at least known about Peter and his role among the disciplies of Isa, and one would expect to see a rejection of Paul among the assorted condemnations of the Quran against other groups. The rejection of deification of a human being in the Quran would seem to be only an indirect reference to Paul within the context of the epistles being interpreted to refer to Orthodox trinitarianism and not Paul as an apostle of Isa who wrote anything as compared with the gospels.

If the author(s) of the Quran heard about the gospels, one would assume that they heard about "the apostle Paul" as well.....either negatively or positively.

Toto

Why exactly? And it appears from you link that Islamic writers knew about Simon Peter.

You have to provide more context and details if you are going to argue a case based on silence. At the time when Islam absorbed Christian ideas, what were Christians saying about Paul? What were the contentious issues? Why would Islamic writer have picked up stories of Paul?

Duvduv

Thank you, you are correct. I am assuming that Paul was an important figure for Christians because of Acts and the epistles, but if the Quran author thought that the epistle writer was deifying Isa/Jesus, then he would be roundly condemned...

Toto

Muslims condemn all Christians for making Jesus equal to God.

If you are going to speculate about what the writer of the Qur'an would have done, you need a great deal more detailed information about what version of Christianity was prevalent at the time.