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stephan huller · 02-10-2013, 11:55 AM

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... but he that refraineth his lips is wise

Exactly, I take this as an admission of ignorance on your part.

Sheshbazzar · 02-10-2013, 12:12 PM

You do that.

stephan huller · 02-10-2013, 12:17 PM

And there is nothing wrong with that. I admitted my ignorance about Ezekiel and the 364 to spin and look what a reward I received. The forum should not be based on confrontation but cooperation.

Sheshbazzar · 02-10-2013, 12:20 PM

What you received was someone trying to prod you into actually using that hunk of meat you carry around on your shoulders.

Robert Tulip · 02-10-2013, 04:36 PM

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Now why is it that this seems to precisely describe Stephan's own modus operandi in this thread?

Sure. I am the only one in history to notice the 364 day calendar and its connection to the oldest strata of Jewish culture. The only one. Just me and my imagination.

Stephan, amidst your voluminous contribution here, could you point me to where you have explained how this 364 day calendar has anything to do with the Therapeuts?

I am hoping to get a direct answer and not a deflection or evasion. Post numbers and summary would be great.

Strangely, wikipedia has a claim the 364 day calendar is Attic, but it looks to be a mistake as far as I can tell.

stephan huller · 02-10-2013, 04:40 PM

google "364 day" and "therapeutae" i am at a restaurant

stephan huller · 02-10-2013, 05:15 PM

I finished my dinner and no response from you. Here are some of the Google links I recommended:

http://books.google.com/books?id=m2n...%20364&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=0eR...tae%22&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=nmv...lendar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ES2...lendar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=gz_...ed=0CFEQ6AEwBg

http://books.google.com/books?id=lT-...ed=0CFcQ6AEwBw

http://www.uhl.ac/files/1113/3527/77...sCalendars.pdf

The Therapeutae employed a 364 day 'Jubilee calendar' where the day after the forty ninth day (i.e. the seventh sabbath) - i.e. the fiftieth day - was especially holy. As Clement learned from Philo, fifty is the embodiment of the ogdoad - i.e. 7 (x 7) + 1 - or as Philo explains:

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In the first place, these men assemble at the end of seven weeks, venerating not only the simple week of seven days, but also its multiplied power, for they know it to be pure and always virgin; and it is a prelude and a kind of forefeast of the greatest feast, which is assigned to the number fifty, the most holy and natural of numbers, being compounded of the power of the right-angled triangle, which is the principle of the origination and condition of the whole. Therefore when they come together clothed in white garments, and joyful with the most exceeding gravity, when some one of the ephemereutae (for that is the appellation which they are accustomed to give to those who are employed in such ministrations), before they sit down to meat standing in order in a row, and raising their eyes and their hands to heaven, the one because they have learnt to fix their attention on what is worthy looking at, and the other because they are free from the reproach of all impure gain, being never polluted under any pretence whatever by any description of criminality which can arise from any means taken to procure advantage, they pray to God that the entertainment may be acceptable, and welcome, and pleasing; and after having offered up these prayers the elders sit down to meat, still observing the order in which they were previously arranged, for they do not look on those as elders who are advanced in years and very ancient, but in some cases they esteem those as very young men, if they have attached themselves to this sect only lately, but those whom they call elders are those who from their earliest infancy have grown up and arrived at maturity in the speculative portion of philosophy, which is the most beautiful and most divine part of it. [Vita C 65 - 67]

aa5874 · 02-10-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

I finished my dinner and no response from you. Here are some of the Google links I recommended:

http://books.google.com/books?id=m2n...%20364&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=0eR...tae%22&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=nmv...lendar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ES2...lendar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=gz_...ed=0CFEQ6AEwBg

http://books.google.com/books?id=lT-...ed=0CFcQ6AEwBw

http://www.uhl.ac/files/1113/3527/77...sCalendars.pdf

The Therapeutae employed a 364 day 'Jubilee calendar' where the day after the forty ninth day (i.e. the seventh sabbath) - i.e. the fiftieth day - was especially holy. As Clement learned from Philo, fifty is the embodiment of the ogdoad - i.e. 7 (x 7) + 1 - or as Philo explains:

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In the first place, these men assemble at the end of seven weeks, venerating not only the simple week of seven days, but also its multiplied power, for they know it to be pure and always virgin; and it is a prelude and a kind of forefeast of the greatest feast, which is assigned to the number fifty, the most holy and natural of numbers, being compounded of the power of the right-angled triangle, which is the principle of the origination and condition of the whole. Therefore when they come together clothed in white garments, and joyful with the most exceeding gravity, when some one of the ephemereutae (for that is the appellation which they are accustomed to give to those who are employed in such ministrations), before they sit down to meat standing in order in a row, and raising their eyes and their hands to heaven, the one because they have learnt to fix their attention on what is worthy looking at, and the other because they are free from the reproach of all impure gain, being never polluted under any pretence whatever by any description of criminality which can arise from any means taken to procure advantage, they pray to God that the entertainment may be acceptable, and welcome, and pleasing; and after having offered up these prayers the elders sit down to meat, still observing the order in which they were previously arranged, for they do not look on those as elders who are advanced in years and very ancient, but in some cases they esteem those as very young men, if they have attached themselves to this sect only lately, but those whom they call elders are those who from their earliest infancy have grown up and arrived at maturity in the speculative portion of philosophy, which is the most beautiful and most divine part of it. [Vita C 65 - 67]

Wait a minute!!! Are you not doing the very same thing that you accuse others of doing??

You seem to get your information by simply going on the internet.

You don't seem to understand that Philo did NOT mention anything about a 364 day year in "On the Contemplative Life".

Please, read the actual text and stop relying on FLAWED opinion on the internet.

stephan huller · 02-10-2013, 06:24 PM

I provided the citation from Philo and supporting evidence for the correct interpretation of the evidence. Philo's Therapeutae used a 364 day solar calendar.

spin · 02-10-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

I provided the citation from Philo and supporting evidence for the correct interpretation of the evidence. Philo's Therapeutae used a 364 day solar calendar.

It is senseless to talk to someone who is incapable of differentiating between internet shite and texts from scholars in the field (Taylor, Garcia Martinez, Grabbe, etc.). This whole thread has been people with no knowledge rumbling emptily over things that have no intrinsic meaning to them, rehearsing potted understandings of Conybeare.

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02-10-2013, 12:12 PM	#822
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	You do that.

02-10-2013, 12:17 PM	#823
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	And there is nothing wrong with that. I admitted my ignorance about Ezekiel and the 364 to spin and look what a reward I received. The forum should not be based on confrontation but cooperation.

02-10-2013, 12:20 PM	#824
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	What you received was someone trying to prod you into actually using that hunk of meat you carry around on your shoulders.

02-10-2013, 04:40 PM	#826
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	google "364 day" and "therapeutae" i am at a restaurant

02-10-2013, 06:24 PM	#829
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I provided the citation from Philo and supporting evidence for the correct interpretation of the evidence. Philo's Therapeutae used a 364 day solar calendar.

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