NoeL

I think they need to add a footnote for Isaiah 40:22

* Yes that's right, circle. NOT sphere. Khoog is never used to mean sphere. We have reputable translators working on this project.

Toto

I don't think that is the True Christian interpretation. :devil3:

But what about this is anti-Marcionite?

show_no_mercy

Could Justin read Hebrew? Because the LXX has parthenos which is virgin. I'm not even sure Christians were prefering the Hebrew Tanakh over the Greek LXX until after Jerome.

semiopen

That is getting away from my minor knowledge of this subject. Parthenos is used for Dinah also, this link:

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=15265

discusses parthenos. Damsel is mentioned here.

My impression is that both "young woman" and "virgin" are questionable translations; both seem about equally bad to me.

The issue seems mostly polemical.

It's fascinating to see such attention given to an incomprehensible prophecy.

Reminiscent of "Airplane!", it would be interesting to see the bible tranlated into Jive.

No Robots

I've thought about this, too. Here's my jive version of Mt 11:21:

Fuck you, Corozain; and fuck you, too, Bethsaida: If Tyre and Sidon had seen the funky shit I laid down for you, they'd be kissing me sweet Hebrew ass right now!

Derec

You mean like this one (or via: amazon.co.uk)?

That said, NIV is a horrible translation full of editorial (fundamentalist) bias.
ESV or NASB are much better translations done by theological conservatives.

Derec

Where do the gospels portray Jesus as "androgyne". This feminist revisionism is as silly as Christian fundamentalism. In fact, it is a form of fundamentalism.

Derec

It is wrong as far as it implies a "virgin birth" prophecy in Isaiah 7. Point of that passage is that a woman will conceive and give birth and before the child is old enough to "chose good and reject evil" king Ahaz' enemies will be destroyed. The Isaiah "prophecy" hinges in no way on status of the woman's hymen, hence translation of almah as virgin is overly restrictive.

bacht

Well, Jesus is single, no girlfriend, wife or offspring mentioned; he spends his time wandering around with a bunch of impoverished nobodies, talks about love and having faith "like a child" - where do you see the macho side of Christ? (granted the gospels are contradictory so there really isn't a single portrait of the man). He certainly isn't like his contemporaries the Zealots. In gJohn Christ is the pre-existent Logos, presumably beyond human gender.

I'm no feminist (more the opposite) but the gospel Jesus hardly bears comparison with "real men" like Simon bar Kochba or Judas Maccabeus. Even the Qumran Teacher of Righteousness seemed to have more cajones, resisting the Judean establishment to his death.

Jesus is portrayed as a passive rather than active agent, meekly accepting unjust execution without a murmur (depending on which Passion account you prefer). Of course pretty much the whole gospel story was probably lifted from scripture, particularly the Suffering Servant martyr of Isaiah. The sacrificial Lamb is an anti-type of a powerful leader, portrayed in pagan religion with lions and bulls and such.

No Robots

So, Jesus the pussy, eh? Sure you're not just projecting? I mean, talking all macho while concealing your identity? Maybe you're just a pimply loudmouth living in your parents' basement.