Chaucer

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, ApostateAbe! Nice to encounter someone sane! You made my day!

Cheers,

Chaucer

Walrus

Bravo, Abe!

jgreen44

I'm not saying that all the Jews were sufficiently Hellenized to buy into the god-man idea. I am saying that enough of them were so Hellenized that they were able to create a sect whose membership obviously grew rapidly.

jgreen44

Agreed. And I am not saying that risen Jesus sightings are a criteria for his prior existence as an earthly human being. People even today claim to have seen Jesus without ever having known the earthly Jesus of Nazareth.The history of any person is extremely relevant to their being seen after death. Fame, adulation, a legendary aura: these all contribute to after death sightings and rumors of not really being dead (ex. Jim Morrison, Tupac Shakur).

jgreen44

I, a person with mythicist tendencies, have something to do with a Preterist, my brother.
Cognitive dissonance the size of a mustard seed, can move mountains.

Maybe if God died after AD 70?

jgreen44

But Paul also said that he received his gospel from no man. So how did he know about communion or what "the Lord" (aka Jesus of Nazareth?) said on various occasions?

But, admittedly, to get around the implication of every item on that list does require some mental gymnnastics.

gdeering

I believe Jesus had a few words about what you must do if a family member is not a believer.

Please get to work on your brother, it might be possible to change the word!

Tell Nietzsche, let's pick a day and celebrate with presents and trees.


Just to toss in something to the Elvis discussion, certainly people can believe anything once someone becomes a symbol in the imagination of the easily lead - perhaps an historicist would say that this is the Pauline position on the matter? Stick with the last minutes of life as sacrifice and forget the rest of the guy's life and history - as Paul did.

Paul's last supper, myth-making at its finest.



Gregg

aa5874

But, there is no history external of apologetic sources where Hellenised Jews were rapidly becoming believers in the blasphemer and false prophet Jesus and worshiping him as a God.

Please name a time in antiquity when Hellenised Jews began to worship a man as a God in vast numbers.

It will be noticed that even up to the 4th century, there was virtually no history of Hellenised Jews who were worshiping a man as a God.

Chili

How come everybody is waiting for Christ if Jesus is coming back?

spamandham

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

1 Corinthians 6:10
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God

1 Corinthians 15:24
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:50
I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Galatians 5:21
and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Thessalonians 2:12
encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory

Setting 1 Cor 15 aside, it seems to me Paul's idea of the kingdom is something spiritual rather than a messianic earthly kingdom. The crucifixion is the annihilation of earthly desires, to include messianic dreams.

(I don't consider 1 Cor 15 even partly authentic)