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Old 04-02-2007, 03:03 PM   #371
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What you say is arguably true of portions but it is just foolish to characterize the entire collection as "similar" to Greek mythology.

As usual, your thinking is simplistic.
Your thinking confuses me. Are you claiming that Jesus the Christ is both mythological and historical?
These portions of Jesus the Christ are mythological:
1. The virgin birth.
2. The temptation.
3. The miracles performed by Jesus the Christ.
4. The transfiguration.
5. The resurrection.
6. The ascension.

Jesus the Christ is a myth of massive proportions, and perhaps it is prudent, based on your thinking, to consider the gods and goddesses of Greek mythology, as part myth and part real.
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:12 PM   #372
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I have asked spin for a chronology as to when he thinks
the tribe of christians appeared on the planet.

Do I have the right to ask spin for the basis of his arguments
as they refer to chronology in this forum?

Conversely, if others in discussion are aware that spin for example
prefers the traditional chronology (eg: there must have been
some "tribe of christians in the first century"), then may I be
informed.

Perhaps BC&H pundits dont even have to have a chronology?
After all, they have the "literature tradition" to play with.

They either reject the opportunity of commenting on one
of the world's foremost 20th century ancient historians'
assessment of christianity in the 4th century, or totally
misunderstand Momigliano's commentary and thrust.

Other posters in this forum should be aware that there
is a vast difference between the study of "ancient history"
and "biblical history", and this difference has been in the
above sentence quite encapsulated.
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:15 PM   #373
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In fact this all thread is quite funny. And I would like to thank very much aa5784 or it. Before I was thinking that Yeshua might have existed or that he might not have existed, there is no solid proof either way (that is why it is a never ending question). Also, and I am still thinking it: his existence or non-existence is not important. (Why is it so important for some people - they sure have an agenda...) But after reading more and more, now I am rather thinking that there was a man who was crucified by Pontius Pilatus. Strangely that useful information pointing to the crucified is never as far as I can see discussed here. I understand why the xians don't want to discuss it, it is quite embarassing. But infidels My only explanation is that some are understanding the bible in the same way as the xians, but reversed. Miracles are real on one side... miracles are fiction on the other side. What a poor understanding.

There is evidence that here nobody understands the meaning of "walking on the sea". Hence damnat quia non intelligat.
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damnant quia non intelligant.
Numquam talia vera dicta sunt.
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:28 PM   #375
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Witness then the clash of "the tribe of neopythagoreans"
and Constantine's literary tribe of christians in the
fourth century.
Constantine the King
to the Bishops and nations everywhere.

Inasmuch as Arius imitates the evil and the wicked,
it is right that, like them, he should be rebuked and rejected.

As therefore Porphyry,
who was an enemy of the fear of God,
and wrote wicked and unlawful writings
against the religion of Christians,
found the reward which befitted him,
that he might be a reproach to all generations after,
because he fully and insatiably used base fame;
so that on this account his writings
were righteously destroyed;

thus also now it seems good that Arius
and the holders of his opinion
should all be called Porphyrians,
that he may be named by the name
of those whose evil ways he imitates:

And not only this, but also
that all the writings of Arius,
wherever they be found,
shall be delivered to be burned with fire,
in order that not only
his wicked and evil doctrine may be destroyed,
but also that the memory of himself
and of his doctrine may be blotted out,
that there may not by any means
remain to him remembrance in the world.

Now this also I ordain,
that if any one shall be found secreting
any writing composed by Arius,
and shall not forthwith deliver up
and burn it with fire,
his punishment shall be death;
for as soon as he is caught in this
he shall suffer capital punishment
by beheading without delay.


(Preserved in Socrates Scholasticus’ Ecclesiastical History 1:9.
A translation of a Syriac translation of this, written in 501,
is in B. H. Cowper’s, Syriac Miscellanies,
Extracts From The Syriac Ms. No. 14528
In The British Museum, Lond. 1861, p. 6–7)
Based on the order of Constantine, it would appear to me that Arius and others had some doctrine that was pre-nicene, and Eusebius wanted that Arian doctrine eradicated.

Now, when was that Arian doctrine developed, in the 2nd, 3rd or fourth century? I am of the opinion that there were many doctrines or concepts of the Christ long before Eusebius.
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Numquam talia vera dicta sunt.
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Heu! You got me there.

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There is evidence that here nobody understands the meaning of "walking on the sea". Hence damnat quia non intelligat.
If no-one understands the meaning of "walking on the sea', it is even more difficult to understand you when you write in 'tongues'.
And perhaps, upon reflection, you should only write in that language.
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I understand why the xians don't want to discuss it, it is quite embarassing.
Is it embarassing to show that Jesus the Christ actually lived? That's strange.
This is what is written in Romans1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek".

But the purported author of Romans, Paul, is the subject of embarassment, since, it is now believed that the Pauline Epistles are forgeries, at least parts of them.
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But the purported author of Romans, Paul, is the subject of embarassment, since, it is now believed that the Pauline Epistles are forgeries, at least parts of them.
Some of them are thought be forgeries, but there are four uncontested, two more which are mostly uncontested, and one that is somewhat uncontested.

Romans, I & II Corinthians, Galatians, I Thessalonians, Philemon, and Philippians respectively.
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