lpetrich

I was thinking about the Xtian Trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and that made me wonder if anything was missing. Where are the Mother and the Daughter?

(Mods, feel free to move this to EoG if you think that that's a better home for this thread)

Queen of Swords

I always wondered how exactly Jesus came into existence. Did God just think one day, "I'd like to have a kid"? What made him select a son and not a daughter? Which came first, Jesus or the Holy Spirit?

Is there any difference between God and Jesus other than the fact that the one gave rise to the other? IOW, if a random angel was confronted with either of these deities, could it tell the difference? After all, they're both equally good, powerful, etc. Is there any other characteristic which differentiates them?

Why did god choose to have only one "only begotten son"?

Opera Nut

Simple answer: Old white men in control.

Humongous sexism & racism(pictures of white boy blue eyed Jesus), woman hatred, hatred of anything pagan like goddess worship, total imbalance of power.

Women used to be revered for having babies. Men could not have them and were in awe, until they found out what part the men played and started using their generally larger muscles to control women, backed up by woman hating prophets like Paul to justify their all male Trinity and all male authority figures.


Generally in pagan lore if there is a trinity it is the logical balanced one of father, mother and child.

However, religions tend to not survive among the people unless there is a feminine object of worship, no matter how much the males try to enforce the all-male deity rules; so that's why we have the Virgin Mary of various geographical locations as an intercessor with Gawd.

:banghead:

Lanakila

This gets even more mystical. Jesus according to their belief system pre-existed Mary. He gave up his Godhood and became like a man, and was able to die just like any human. There are places in the OT where it is believed that Jesus pre-incarnately appeared. The term for this is Christophany, or Theophany.

The amazing thing is that the books of Luke an Matthew were written much later and the Christ Myth had grown and expanded by the time of their authorship.

Shake

Because having a second "only begotten son" just sounds silly. He realized he slipped up after saying that phrase, he actually wanted more. Besides, it'd be anarchy if He contradicted Himself! (a la Dogma)

DMB

Catholics call Mary, "Mother of God". What I want to know is, why isnt she called "Wife of God"? Particularly since Jesus was "begotten", it does rather suggest that God was quite similar to other deities such as Zeus. If Mary wasn't his wife, did he commit fornication?

MortalWombat

Instead of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, would it be the Mother, Daughter, and Ghostly Ho?

lpetrich

A common response is something like:

The Christian God did not have sexual relations with that woman, Mary.

But however he had gotten conceived, Jesus Christ was clearly an illegitimate child.

DMB

If he didn't have sexual relations, why does the bible say that Jesus was "begotten"? Or, for that matter, his "son"?

It seems to be stressing the difference between "begotten" and "created".

Toto

The third part of the trinity, the Holy Spirit or Logos, was originally feminine. The Egyptians have a trinity of Osiris, Isis, and Horus - Father, Mother and Child.

At some point in early church history, all of the females were turned into males. My favorite example is Sophia, or Holy Wisdom. Sophia is clearly a female figure in the OT, but by the time of Philo is represented as a male force, and the Orthodox Icon of St. Sophia is an old man with a white beard, representing Holy Wisdom.