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Jeffrey Gibson · 12-17-2009, 08:28 AM

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Or an MJ ideologue.

Jeffrey

Hell, I thought that our whole case is built on perception...

You would.

Jeffrey

dog-on · 12-17-2009, 08:58 AM

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Hell, I thought that our whole case is built on perception...

You would.

Jeffrey

You mean that it is not?

spin · 12-17-2009, 09:46 AM

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It's normal to get a restraining order for the fear that an abusive husband remains a threat to the wife: the past points to a possible future. So it's not too far a stretch for someone to query the possibility that you could provide a decent and knowledgeable review given the perception you give on this forum about almost anything you post on, is it?

I'd like to hear what a judge would say to an applicant for a restraining order who says "I have no actual proof of my charge of abuse, only a perception of it."

It's interesting that you weasel on "perception". Let's hear what the judge would say...

DA: Judge, given the defendant's track record of violence, we perceive him to be a continuing threat to the plaintiff.

Judge: I concur.

(And this judge is not committed to any camp. He works on a case by case basis.

)

spin

Jeffrey Gibson · 12-17-2009, 10:06 AM

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I'd like to hear what a judge would say to an applicant for a restraining order who says "I have no actual proof of my charge of abuse, only a perception of it."

It's interesting that you weasel on "perception".

Really? So there's never a time when what is perceived to be the case -- especially with regard to the claim that in all my responses to Earl's posts, I have done nothing other than ask (illegitimate and unwarranted) questions and/or make unwarranted demands-- is not actually the case?

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Let's hear what the judge would say...

DA: Judge, given the defendant's track record of violence, we perceive him to be a continuing threat to the plaintiff.

Judge: I concur.

(And this judge is not committed to any camp. He works on a case by case basis.

)

spin

The assumption here is not only that the judge is competent and unbiased, but there is an track record of actual "violence" and that it has been hard evidenced and proven to have occurred. As I've asked Earl repeatedly to do with respect to his claim that in all my responses to his posts I have done nothing other than ask (illegitimate and unwarranted) questions and/or make unwarranted demands, please show, not allege, that in this case this is a matter of fact.

Jeffrey

spin · 12-17-2009, 10:42 AM

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It's interesting that you weasel on "perception".

Really? So there's never a time when what is perceived to be the case -- especially with regard to the claim that in all my responses to Earl's posts, I have done nothing other than ask (illegitimate and unwarranted) questions and/or make unwarranted demands-- is not actually the case?

Although I made no such generalization, I love the weaseling over weaseling.

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Let's hear what the judge would say...

DA: Judge, given the defendant's track record of violence, we perceive him to be a continuing threat to the plaintiff.

Judge: I concur.

(And this judge is not committed to any camp. He works on a case by case basis.

)

The assumption here is not only that the judge is competent and unbiased, but there is an track record of actual "violence" and that it has been hard evidenced and proven to have occurred.

I'm sorry, but you have frequently been caught redhanded bludgeoning people.

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As I've asked Earl repeatedly to do with respect to his claim that in all my responses to his posts I have done nothing other than ask (illegitimate and unwarranted) questions and/or make unwarranted demands, please show, not allege, that in this case this is a matter of fact.

Officer, the fact that my hand was around his throat was only a sign of affection. Honest.

spin

Jeffrey Gibson · 12-17-2009, 10:56 AM

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Really? So there's never a time when what is perceived to be the case -- especially with regard to the claim that in all my responses to Earl's posts, I have done nothing other than ask (illegitimate and unwarranted) questions and/or make unwarranted demands-- is not actually the case?

Although I made no such generalization, I love the weaseling over weaseling.

Since that this is not an answer to my question, I wonder who actually is doing the weaseling here.

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I'm sorry, but you have frequently been caught redhanded bludgeoning people.

The question is whether I have done what Earl claims I have done in my responses to his posts. I wonder if you could stick to that point.

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As I've asked Earl repeatedly to do with respect to his claim that in all my responses to his posts I have done nothing other than ask (illegitimate and unwarranted) questions and/or make unwarranted demands, please show, not allege, that in this case this is a matter of fact.

Officer, the fact that my hand was around his throat was only a sign of affection. Honest.

So ... you have no actual evidence relevant to the claim in question.

Thanks.

Jeffrey

spin · 12-17-2009, 11:35 AM

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Although I made no such generalization, I love the weaseling over weaseling.

Since that this is not an answer to my question, I wonder who actually is doing the weaseling here.

Weaseling about weaseling about weaseling!

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I'm sorry, but you have frequently been caught redhanded bludgeoning people.

The question is whether I have done what Earl claims I have done in my responses to his posts. I wonder if you could stick to that point.

You asked about a track record which was what I was alluding to.

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Officer, the fact that my hand was around his throat was only a sign of affection. Honest.

So ... you have no actual evidence relevant to the claim in question.

Members of the jury, don't let the defense attorney pull the wool over your eyes when he claims that his client only acted out of self-defense. The defendant is a repeat offender though the defense attorney wants you to believe he is as pure as the drivel snow in this instance.

spin

spin · 12-17-2009, 01:46 PM

I wrote: "pure as the drivel snow"

Some typo! How Freudian.

spin

neilgodfrey · 12-18-2009, 10:16 PM

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especially with regard to the claim that in all my responses to Earl's posts, I have done nothing other than ask (illegitimate and unwarranted) questions

I wonder why it is that this plea with reference to the word "questions" sounds like a medieval "inquisitor" or police "interrogator" or bludgeoning court prosecutor attempting to plead total innocence to maintain their good-guy image?

neilgodfrey · 12-18-2009, 11:26 PM

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As much as I hate to ask a question or convey any hint of impatience, I wonder if you'd do us all the kindness of telling us all without equivocation if you really do intend to read the book and by when?

But hang on, Earl asked something akin to that question himself and you ignored it once already. Well, not quite ignored it, just equivocated.

Neil

I'm not sure how you can take my e-mail to him as "equivocation".

And as I said, I'm hoping the get to the book after Christmas.

Was that not clear?

Jeffrey

Wow, Jeffrey. I can scarcely believe this, but this thread has taught me not to take your claims about even your own words very seriously.

In the opening post of this thread your actual words are quoted there:

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Just to let you know that your book arrived safe and sound. Thanks for sending it.

I doubt, though, that I'll be able to get to it before Xmas, if then. So please be patient.

JG

Cheeky. Gonna have to watch you and check on everything you say about what you say you said from now on.

Neil

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spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	I wrote: "pure as the drivel snow" Some typo! How Freudian. spin

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