Johnny Skeptic

Upon what evidence do you base this assertion?

Such has never been the case, so why do you believe that such will be the case in the future? So your position is that the world will envy a group of people who had Jesus killed, the vast majority of whom over the last 2,000 have rejected Christianity, right?

What do you mean by "measure them"?

Chili

Because he wrote the mythology that bears this truth. A mythology is true and words are just used to express this truth. We read these words that ring a bell in us because they are like a commodity or a mathematical equation but are a little more complex than 1+1=2. Because metaphysics is beautiful and much more so than physics.

Christianity has always been wrong as in -ity and will always be wrong for the same reason. The conviction of Jesus did not create Christianity as a religion but as the end of religion.The truth behind Judaism has your attention because of its [poetic] beauty, perhaps, or you might even have some common shares in this commodity that is called truth and that is why you are evaluating Judaism.

Johnny Skeptic

[quote=Johnny Skeptic] Upon what evidence do you base this assertion [that God chose Abraham]?

What about other religions that make similar claims based upon inspiration/emotion/spiritual discernment, and what about Deism?

Chili

[QUOTE=Johnny Skeptic]It is the same for them. 'Our' native Indians claim aboriginal heritage that is rightfully theirs and will never be ours. Canaan is the Jewish Thousand Year Reign for the true Israelite. A Deist doesn't have that. He'll encounter "the horror" as did Camus in "Heart of Darkness" (was it?). Only children of the light will be illuminated. So it is best for us to either love them or leave them alone. They won't mind either way except that to love them shows basic human kindness as evidence that we have our own aboriginal heritage.

Wads4

The success of any race seems to be related to its volunatery or enforced diaspora,-eg the Romans dispersing the Jews. I would say the Anglo-Saxon diaspora was the most successful,--starting in a small part of Europe and colonising Britain and the Unites States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand..

Johnny Skeptic

Kindness is one matter, and it is a good thing, but truth is another matter entirely. What critieria should people use in order to find the truth? Does it really ultimately matter what a person's world view is? If so, where is your
evidence?

Old Testament Jews most certainly did not leave people alone. It is quite likely that if they had able to conquer a territory 100 times larger than the ancient land of Canaan, they would have done so. My gracious, in Old Testament times, a Jewish son approved of his own mother being killed for working on the Sabbath day, and a Jewish mother would approve of her own son being killed if he cursed her. Even in the New Testament, God did not give up his murderous ways when he killed Ananias and Sapphira.

What evidence do you have that the God of the Bible is good?

Wads4

Well Jews may have survived, but what does "success" mean. They were decimated and dispersed by the Romans, and spent the next 2000 years wandering about in alien countries where there were repeatedly persecuted,-mainly by Christians,-and obviously Hitler. now they are under continuing small scale attack by ther surrounding Arabs. I would not want to live in "successful" Israel.

Chili

The message of mystery religions is that Ultimate Truth is beyond human understanding and that includes our own world view. To arrive at this Truth religion must be 'the way' and 'end of' the way to this truth. So, no, it doesn't matter what our own world view is unless we are either Jew or Catholic where this transcendence can take place.

Johnny Skeptic

Are you saying that Judaism and Catholicism are "the Truth," and that all other world views are not "the Truth"? If so, where is your evidence? Which Scriptures best represent your world view? Do you believe that the God of the Bible is good? If so, where is your evidence, tangible evidence if you please? Spiritual evidence is subjective. Without corroboration from tangible evidence, one person's world view is as valid as another's. Do you believe that heaven is a physical place?

In your opinion, after death, what happens to Jews, Catholics, and people with other world views?

Chili

It is just not right to fall into the hands of the living God and use his power against him. Notice that they sold only part of their land and gave only part of the money as if their veil was only partly rent. The message here is that he want's 'our all' for our good and the good of the Church.

To do otherwise would create splinter groups with only a glimpse of heaven in sight.