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Old 11-28-2004, 10:32 AM   #11
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OK. Let's get real. A Masters & Johnson report of many years ago stated that "Women preferred circumsized penises by a margin of 5 to 1." OK. what better reason to be circusized do you need? :thumbs:
Why not! Would you be in favor of female circumcision if males reported the same thing? The point here is that if 'sport' is the decisive factor your pain should not be limit my gain in a hedonistic society.
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Old 11-28-2004, 11:52 AM   #12
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It is changing fast and now it is upon request but still is recognized as the most practical option for various reason.
OK I don't know how you define "most practical option" but something that is recognized as having no statistically significant benefits, is not funded, and only praticed by a fringe elements is not what I would call practical, popular, logical or any other kind of "option".
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Old 11-28-2004, 12:01 PM   #13
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Sure. I should have wrote "was the norm." I am from a different culture myself and was shocked to learn that it was the normal thing to do some 30 years ago.
PS. Actually the average 30 years ago was sub 50% and falling fast (under 40% by 1977). Again not what I would call "the norm". Stats again:

http://www.courtchallenge.com/refs/yr73p-e.html
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OK. Let's get real. A Masters & Johnson report of many years ago stated that "Women preferred circumsized penises by a margin of 5 to 1." OK. what better reason to be circusized do you need? :thumbs:
Yes, let me tell you what happens to me and everyone I know all the time. They are about to get busy with some hottie, but just before the main event starts, she whips out a flashlight and a magnifying glass and examines the pee pee, and then gives it a rating using a complicated formula... any rating below a 6 is an instant dumping... the dudes with the foreskin always score lower than 6. :Cheeky:

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However, some studies suggest that uncircumcised male infants have an increased risk for getting urinary tract infections. Other studies show correlations between uncircumcised males and penile cancer, some sexually transmitted diseases including HIV, infections of the penis, and phimosis (tightness of the foreskin, not allowing it to retract over the glans penis).

However, the overall increased risk for these conditions is thought to be relatively small.
Exactly. We don't cut off women's breasts at age 20 even though the risk of breast cancer is so damn high so what reason is there to cut off some foreskin when the increased risk of keeping it is almost nonexistant? The only reasons, are non-medical ones: tradition and/or religion.
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Old 11-28-2004, 03:26 PM   #15
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PS. Actually the average 30 years ago was sub 50% and falling fast (under 40% by 1977). Again not what I would call "the norm". Stats again:

http://www.courtchallenge.com/refs/yr73p-e.html
But over 55% in '73 and 'unheard' of in Brooks at that time. In a small town all it takes is for one doctor to speak against it for reason that may not even exist in the city, such as sanitation or travelling distance should complications arise later on.
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The discussion here seems more suited to Science and Skepticism.
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The miscellaneous aspect of this discussion has been split to MD here. Lets keep this one on the science/medical aspects, please.

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Old 11-29-2004, 04:51 PM   #18
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I'm hoping someone else remembers this so I don't have to dig through magazines, but I do recall reading in Science News a few months ago that a study had been published reporting that HIV infection rates were reduced in circumcised males.

For what it's worth, I am vehemently anti-genital mutilation.

But, data is data.
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I'm hoping someone else remembers this so I don't have to dig through magazines, but I do recall reading in Science News a few months ago that a study had been published reporting that HIV infection rates were reduced in circumcised males.

For what it's worth, I am vehemently anti-genital mutilation.

But, data is data.
Well, there might be many reasons for an apparent connection between HIV infection rates and circumcised males. For instance they might come from a cultural background that leads them to have fewer sexual partners.

Besides, other sources claim that:

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the US has both the highest percentage of sexually active circumcised males in the Western world and the highest rates of sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.
When I'm at university tomorrow and if I find the time I might be able to access several medical journals that are referred to in the above source.
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I'm hoping someone else remembers this so I don't have to dig through magazines, but I do recall reading in Science News a few months ago that a study had been published reporting that HIV infection rates were reduced in circumcised males.

For what it's worth, I am vehemently anti-genital mutilation.

But, data is data.
This it? Better-Off Circumcised? Foreskin may permit HIV entry, infection. (sorry, not a subscriber, so I can't get to the article.)

Some other references:
Circumcision in men and the prevention of HIV infection: a 'meta-analysis' revisited. "The results from this re-analysis thus support the contention that male circumcision may offer protection against HIV infection, particularly in high-risk groups where genital ulcers and other STDs 'drive' the HIV epidemic.";
Male circumcision for prevention of heterosexual acquisition of HIV in men. "REVIEWER'S CONCLUSIONS: We found insufficient evidence to support an interventional effect of male circumcision on HIV acquisition in heterosexual men."
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