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Mr. Neutron · 03-01-2004, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by beanpie
No, should I?

Oh, for the love of Jebus...

:banghead:

Is this an example of your "scholarship"?

Deacon Fred is a character from Landover Baptist . Do you know what Landover Baptist is? It's a site that satirizes fundamentalist Christianity.

Honestly, it boggles my mind that you couldn't figure that out just from the little bit you quoted.

beanpie · 03-01-2004, 12:08 PM

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Honestly, it boggles my mind that you couldn't figure that out just from the little bit you quoted.

it reminded me of a lot of "crap" I've read.

beanpie · 03-01-2004, 03:56 PM

Check out Runoko Rashidi's response to a participant in his discussion group (more on Runoko Rashidi (http://aalbc.com/reviews/runoko.htm).

==============================

Black child and christ??? What kind of discussion is this? Jesus was'nt black, and he was'nt white. He was a man of color/jew. Jews/hebrews were not originally africans/black people, they were people with melanin. How racist it is that blacks can sit back and do the very thing white people have done for centuries. Whats next, are we gonna try to decieve the world, by forgery, as whites have done?

Erica

==============================

Dear Sister Erica,

I am afraid that your letter comes across as rather silly, emotional and essentially baseless. The earliest images of deities invariably show them as Black. There is far too much research and writings on the subject to seriously debate the issue. And, yes, how we view god is of great importance. In my slide presentations I show an abundance of Black images of god from around the world.

Nobody here is interested in imitating European behavior. We only want to tell the truth and we tend to just understand and accept that. If you want an excellent reference on the subject of the Black Madonna and Child, including the Black Madonna and Child of Montserrat, you might consult Ean Begg's book The Cult of the Black
Virgin. You can also get a lot of references at my Global African Presence web site.

As for the Jews, all I will tell you is that as far as I know the earliest depictions of them are to be found in the British Museum. They are captured prisoners of war by the Assyrians from the city of Lachish in Judea more than 2700 years ago. I have seen them numerous times during my visits to the musuem and they are as Black (Africoid) as any images that you will ever see. One of the images is reproduced in my African Presence in Early Asia anthology.

I realize that you are very young but try to read and study a bit more before you make blanket statements that have little or no merit
in fact.

In love of Africa,

Brother Runoko
==============================

beanpie · 03-01-2004, 04:16 PM

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If Jesus existed, then his racial type was doubtless pretty much the same as the inhabitants of that area today - ie the Palestinians and those Jews whose ancestors did not spend the intervening centuries in Europe.

How have you arrived at THIS hypothesis?

beanpie · 03-01-2004, 04:32 PM

"...No person who has considered well the character of the temples on India and Egypt, can help being convinced of the identity of their character, and of their being the production of the same race of people; and this race evidently Ethiopian. The Sphinxes have all Ethiopian faces. The bust of Memnon in the British Museum is evidently EthiopianThe worship of the Mother and Child is seen in all parts of the Egyptian religion. It prevails every where. It is the worship of Isis and the infant Orus or Osiris. It is the religious rite which was so often prohibited at Rome, but which prevailed in spite of all opposition, as we find from the remaining ruins of its temples. It was perhaps from this country, Egypt, that the worship of the black virgin and child came into Italy, where it still prevails It was the worship of the mother of the God Iaw, the Saviour; Bacchus in Greece, Adonis in Syria, Cristna in India; coming into Italy through the medium of the two Ethiopias she was as the Ethiopians were, black, and such she still remains...."

http://www.mpowernet.com/kamal/delta...e/anacv1b6.htm[

Doctor X · 03-01-2004, 05:32 PM

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Yes, but, is that pic to represent someone "Greek"?

That late depiction certainly seems that way.

Any scholar who thinks a depiction which has no temporal relevance to a person "places beyond a doubt" anything about what the person actually looks like without anything else is playing sensationalism, not scholarship.

Without any contemporary depictions, this is all just that, sensationalism.

--J.D.

The Evil One · 03-02-2004, 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by beanpie
How have you arrived at THIS hypothesis?

Uh, based on the (RADICAL, UNWARRANTED

) assumption that a historical Jesus would have had the same racial type as the people he was born among?

Not that I believe in a historical Jesus anyway. But if there was one, the guy would have been a Semite.

beanpie · 03-02-2004, 08:43 AM

"The past isn't dead; it isn't even past." William Faulkner.

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." Harry S. Truman.

[QUOTE]Palestine has been settled continuously for tens of thousands of years. Fossil remains have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal and transitional types between Neanderthal and modern man. Archeologists have found hybrid Emer wheat at Jericho dating from before 8,000 B.C., making it one of the oldest sites of agricultural activity in the world. Amorites, Canaanites, and other Semitic peoples related to the Phoenicians of Tyre entered the area about 2000 B.C.The area became known as the Land of Canaan http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

"Canaanites were the people who became known as the 'Phonecians"
due to their trade in purple cloth and the murax shell used for
dyeing cloth. The Canaanites were Negroid people and descendants of Ham who lived in a land that was originally populated by Negroid
people from Egypt (the Moabites). Despite the great lie (The Curse of
Canaan) conserning the so-called "curse" that Noah placed on Canaan
(curses were supposed to last for only three generations), Canaan is
responsible for spreading Black civilization all over the
Mediterranean because the Canaanites (Phonecians) were master
seafarers who built settlements in many areas from the Indian Ocean
to the British Isles.

The Egyptians (Khemites) and Black Moabites were the original
inhabitants of the Levant before the expansion of the Semitic and
other groups. The land called "Isreal" was called "Fhenkhu" by the
Black population of Egypt and was first inhabited by the Moabites and
Canaanites, both Black nations. Today there are still descendants of
the ancient Canaanites living in Palestine. They are called "The
Tribe of Aswad."
http://community-2.webtv.net/PABarto...CAN/page3.html

PLEASE, VISIT THIS SITE

beanpie · 03-02-2004, 08:48 AM

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Without any contemporary depictions

of what or whom?

Doctor X · 03-02-2004, 08:55 AM

beanpie:

Understand that since your sight bases its history on the myths of Genesis--Ham as the progenitor of "Canaanites"--it really cannot be taken seriously. You cannot support history with myth!

With regards to contemporary depictions, since there are NO depictions of Junior contemporary to him or even close to contemporary, depictions sited are utterly IRRELEVANT to determining what he really looked like assuming he did exist.

--J.D.

03-02-2004, 08:43 AM	#28
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	a little history "The past isn't dead; it isn't even past." William Faulkner. "No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." Harry S. Truman. [QUOTE]Palestine has been settled continuously for tens of thousands of years. Fossil remains have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal and transitional types between Neanderthal and modern man. Archeologists have found hybrid Emer wheat at Jericho dating from before 8,000 B.C., making it one of the oldest sites of agricultural activity in the world. Amorites, Canaanites, and other Semitic peoples related to the Phoenicians of Tyre entered the area about 2000 B.C.The area became known as the Land of Canaan http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm "Canaanites were the people who became known as the 'Phonecians" due to their trade in purple cloth and the murax shell used for dyeing cloth. The Canaanites were Negroid people and descendants of Ham who lived in a land that was originally populated by Negroid people from Egypt (the Moabites). Despite the great lie (The Curse of Canaan) conserning the so-called "curse" that Noah placed on Canaan (curses were supposed to last for only three generations), Canaan is responsible for spreading Black civilization all over the Mediterranean because the Canaanites (Phonecians) were master seafarers who built settlements in many areas from the Indian Ocean to the British Isles. The Egyptians (Khemites) and Black Moabites were the original inhabitants of the Levant before the expansion of the Semitic and other groups. The land called "Isreal" was called "Fhenkhu" by the Black population of Egypt and was first inhabited by the Moabites and Canaanites, both Black nations. Today there are still descendants of the ancient Canaanites living in Palestine. They are called "The Tribe of Aswad." http://community-2.webtv.net/PABarto...CAN/page3.html PLEASE, VISIT THIS SITE

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beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	Check out Runoko Rashidi's response to a participant in his discussion group (more on Runoko Rashidi (http://aalbc.com/reviews/runoko.htm). ============================== Black child and christ??? What kind of discussion is this? Jesus was'nt black, and he was'nt white. He was a man of color/jew. Jews/hebrews were not originally africans/black people, they were people with melanin. How racist it is that blacks can sit back and do the very thing white people have done for centuries. Whats next, are we gonna try to decieve the world, by forgery, as whites have done? Erica ============================== Dear Sister Erica, I am afraid that your letter comes across as rather silly, emotional and essentially baseless. The earliest images of deities invariably show them as Black. There is far too much research and writings on the subject to seriously debate the issue. And, yes, how we view god is of great importance. In my slide presentations I show an abundance of Black images of god from around the world. Nobody here is interested in imitating European behavior. We only want to tell the truth and we tend to just understand and accept that. If you want an excellent reference on the subject of the Black Madonna and Child, including the Black Madonna and Child of Montserrat, you might consult Ean Begg's book The Cult of the Black Virgin. You can also get a lot of references at my Global African Presence web site. As for the Jews, all I will tell you is that as far as I know the earliest depictions of them are to be found in the British Museum. They are captured prisoners of war by the Assyrians from the city of Lachish in Judea more than 2700 years ago. I have seen them numerous times during my visits to the musuem and they are as Black (Africoid) as any images that you will ever see. One of the images is reproduced in my African Presence in Early Asia anthology. I realize that you are very young but try to read and study a bit more before you make blanket statements that have little or no merit in fact. In love of Africa, Brother Runoko ==============================

03-01-2004, 04:32 PM	#25
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	"...No person who has considered well the character of the temples on India and Egypt, can help being convinced of the identity of their character, and of their being the production of the same race of people; and this race evidently Ethiopian. The Sphinxes have all Ethiopian faces. The bust of Memnon in the British Museum is evidently EthiopianThe worship of the Mother and Child is seen in all parts of the Egyptian religion. It prevails every where. It is the worship of Isis and the infant Orus or Osiris. It is the religious rite which was so often prohibited at Rome, but which prevailed in spite of all opposition, as we find from the remaining ruins of its temples. It was perhaps from this country, Egypt, that the worship of the black virgin and child came into Italy, where it still prevails It was the worship of the mother of the God Iaw, the Saviour; Bacchus in Greece, Adonis in Syria, Cristna in India; coming into Italy through the medium of the two Ethiopias she was as the Ethiopians were, black, and such she still remains...." http://www.mpowernet.com/kamal/delta...e/anacv1b6.htm[

03-02-2004, 08:55 AM	#30
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	beanpie: Understand that since your sight bases its history on the myths of Genesis--Ham as the progenitor of "Canaanites"--it really cannot be taken seriously. You cannot support history with myth! With regards to contemporary depictions, since there are NO depictions of Junior contemporary to him or even close to contemporary, depictions sited are utterly IRRELEVANT to determining what he really looked like assuming he did exist. --J.D.

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