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Old 11-10-2007, 02:33 PM   #41
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I was engaging in a bit of positive thinking here, assuming that once you manage to walk on water, or get into the boat, you'll probably get there. I'm an optimist, I know.
That, of course, is assuming there is such a difference. However:
Once we get there, it will turn out that there is here, otherwise we end up on top of that pillar. So, before we get there, there is a difference between above and below, but after we're there, there isn't. No wonder English doesn't have a word for it .
English doesn't have a word for it because there has never been an Englishman gone to heaven and if one ever did he'll express his gratitude in romanesque to confirm that that is where heaven is at (heaven is religion specific or there would be Buddha's in our heaven.

Let me say again that the rising action determines the outcome of the crisis moment, which will either be a comedy or a tragedy to be lived on the other side. So therefore, 'the way' is important but not critical in that we are predestined to get there or not, and beyond that to get there one way or the other.

So the crisis moment comes at an unknown time in life but follows from the rising action that religion brings about. From there the comedy/tragedy ending is built into package that religion presented to the believer but for who the above/below difference remains unknown to the believer.

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Well, they may both be yanas (be it for some in a rather yoni sense), and granted, Eve is a rather desperate attempt from a hopelessly patriarchal culture to bring her down in size a bit so that she would fit somewhere in the back of the tabernacle. Fortunately, the medieval Christians were a smarter than that and said "Well, screw that"--even though they then didn't--and brought her back more to her original stature. But, having said that, she is the destination, or at least the reason for it. So she is not just a boat, more a package deal.

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Sure, she is our valor and determination to proceed and indeed will get us there but, alas, her carriage is empty and therefore was she herself was left stranded in the dark when Jesus died.

We all love her to make our life exciting but there comes a time when we must put all pleasure aside and go for the pearl of great worth without her (the annunciation will tell us when via a dream to us).

BTW, she was Valeria in Coriolanus, Virgilia was Mary and Volumnia was the voluminous Alma Mater of both.
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The narrative states that the disciples were scared at first, thinking it was a ghost, but when Jesus revealed himself and got into the boat, they calmed down.

You know....these "disciples" must have been pretty dense. Everytime ole jesus pulls one of his magic tricks they are surprised! You'd think that after a while they'd catch on, but they never seem to.

Why is that?
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The narrative states that the disciples were scared at first, thinking it was a ghost, but when Jesus revealed himself and got into the boat, they calmed down.

You know....these "disciples" must have been pretty dense. Everytime ole jesus pulls one of his magic tricks they are surprised! You'd think that after a while they'd catch on, but they never seem to.

Why is that?
Same reason as the devotees of Sai Baba don't catch on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba

And many others of that ilk, like John Edwards and Sylvia Browne, or, for the Brits, Doris Stokes, in a different cultural setting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Stokes

Once the idea that something supernatural is really happening is established in some-ones mind, it seems pretty hard to get rid of.

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The narrative states that the disciples were scared at first, thinking it was a ghost, but when Jesus revealed himself and got into the boat, they calmed down.

You know....these "disciples" must have been pretty dense. Everytime ole jesus pulls one of his magic tricks they are surprised! You'd think that after a while they'd catch on, but they never seem to.

Why is that?
Because the entire Gospel story takes place in the mind of one person wherein the disciples are the strongholds (ousia's) to be brought to understanding in the final par-ousia (or Ultimate Form), and so yes, they were the target of Jesus so they could be abandoned prior to crucifixion. We can also say that they were the source of light that once guided the Magi to the stable which now must be qualified to be raised and united in the upper room whence came the primary premiss (reason) for their existence to begin with. Remember here that truth is real and must remain so that reason can be converted into Pure Reason (no conscience left).

I may add here that the disciples were the recalled shepherds that looked in and admired but never entered (as Pasternak so nicely presented). So here then they were qualified to be raised and sup with Jesus after ascension.
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They come across more as the Washington Generals. The "team" that has played against the Harlem Globetrotters for 50 years, seen all of their tricks 1,000 times and still doesn't catch on.

I interpret them as literary creations to stand there like fools and be amazed everytime Jesus pulls another rabbit out of his hat.
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