TySixtus

Deleted. I'm stupid.

TySixtus

I am less confused now. Perhaps a rewording of your question is in order. Anyway, as most of the posters have already stated, you can't prove what Jesus 'never said'. If you want to get technical, some people will say he 'never said' anything, as he didn't exist.
Anyway, my quotes (and yes, they should have had bible verses, I thought they did, and can provide them if anyone wants them. Sorry. ) were related to the topic. I'm thinking the reason Jesus never denied it is because he never said it in the first place. Going back to my original post on the matter, I said that most of the stuff about Jesus being God was inference, as it is never explicitly stated so in the Bible. Concurrently, the opposite is true- he never said he wasn't the son of god. But this carries as much weight as ME saying I am/am not the son of God, in the sense that is all made up bullshit anyways. Would I walk around saying I'm not the son of god? Of course I'm not. Who is the dumbass that would think so?

That is the line of reasoning I'm using. Sorry if was confusing in my original post.

Ty

Not_Registered

I see your point Mageth, and I admit my error in getting some background on that issue. TySixtus, by saying that Jesus never said He was God you actually HELP my arguemnt. Let me make it clear that it has already been brought to my attention that there may be no biblical evidence that Jesus was accused of claiming He was God. But, in regards to TySixtus' comment, I say: If I came up to you now TySixtus and said I will kill you because you said you were God then, because you never said that, for you to just be silent and allow me to murder you would be LUDICROUS! (unless you really did beliee you were God). In other words, you would deny that off the back because you don't want to die for something that you don't believe. Now, of the reverse side if I came to you and said I will kill you if are you the one that calls him/herself TySixtus. Well then you couldn't deny that and you would have to be murdered (unless you wanted to lie). So, to make my argument clear to TySixtus, if you want to say Jesus never claimed to be God that is what makes my argument valid, becuase if that is so He should have denied any accusations that He called Himself God. Once again, I am now assuming people accused him of that, which (as it was brought to my attention) may not be true. So, I hope you and others now see why spitting out verses that show how Jesus never claimed to be God was not a valid method to refuting my arguemnt.

P.S. -- I am aware that my arguemnt was validly refuted by Amaleq13 and Mageth and your points are well taken.

TySixtus

All I was saying was that Jesus never denied being god, because the point never came up, as Mageth stated earlier. For all we know, he did deny it, if it was ever asked. You can bet the gospel writers didn't include it, though, and for good reason.

Ty

MachineGod

Who is Christ?

What does this word mean?

Mageth

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...nary&va=Christ

"Christ" means "anointed", the Greek translation of the Hebrew word rendered "Messiah".

CX

Let's step back a second and try to reformulate the question in slightly clearer terms.

"If Jesus did not claim to be god AND he was executed for claiming to be god, we should expect to see him denying that he claimed to be god. We do not see him denying that he claimed to be god therefore he must have claimed to be god."

Is that the gist of it?

MachineGod

Isaiah 60:16 and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Isaiah 61:1 1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD

Luke 14:17 And there was delivered unto him [Jesus} the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Jesus is not God. He is anointed one of God. Anointed of the Holy Ghost which is the breath of God, which is the Spirit of God, which is God. Such much so more than any other, that when he spoke, at many such times was the Holy Spirit speaking.

He brought glory to God, who is our savior. Jesus is both the root and offspring of David.

Nuff said.

CX

Well, if we take the gospel accounts as historically true, Pontius Pilate didn't find Jesus guilty of anything. He had Jesus executed to appease a Jewish mob despite his own better judgement. The official charge was that Jesus claimed to be the King of the Jews and was thus an insurrectionist.

MachineGod

According to scripture, he was taken to Pilate because the Pharisees apparently had some malicious feeling over him, because he made them look bad. (The truth hurts sometimes).

But he was never asked if he was God. Only if he was the one anointed of God. Apparently they saw this as blasphemy, and ended up doing what they did to all the prophets.