Bible John

Even if he did and probably will present a logial argument, no matter what he says you will deny it and claim that his argument is poor as you do to mine on free.christians and this board.


He has presented good evidence that you continue to deny.

SonOfFred

Given the record of both John "Bible John" Wolf and Gastrich on free.christians and elsewhere, I would imagine that it would be a waste of time to challenge Wolf to present an example of a "logical argument" that he might expect of Gastrich, as associated with the debate proposal. I can also be confident that Wolf will not be able to present an example of a "logical argument" that either he or Gastrich ever presented on Usenet that I ever dismissed in as cavalier a manner--without justification--as he wants it to appear. The fact is that both Wolf and Gastrich are notorious in Usenet for poor, illogical argumentation.

See above. Wolf is challenged to provide an example of any evidence that Gastrich has ever presented, let alone "good evidence," that was simply denied and not refuted.

Wolf and Gastrich have not had a good relationship, recently. Wolf affirmed what we already knew, that is, that Gastrich was pretending to be different personalities and lying about his address in Pasadena. Wolf further presumed to expose the divorce actions that Gastrich and his wife filed against one-another last year, though that was not new information. The fallout from that has damaged Wolf's already low credibility in the newsgroups, and the dismantling of his arguments seems to have resulted in his flight from Usenet. It seems to me to be a bit misplaced for him to try to suck up to Gastrich, now.

Bible John

My 29th birthday is also comming up. Darn I'm getting old.

The Atheists hate us, and they usually like to bounce on all our failures. Just like how Horn ultgra exagerated the PM I sent to him about the massive attacks that CERM is getting at our guestbook. I have set up the guestbook so that I have to approve posts. I asked Horn if he was involved and then he goes and lies on Usenet and claims that I accused him.

Horn please, if you are involved in these attacks against my ministry, I ask you to stop.

SonOfFred

What we see above is Wolf's response to a comment by Gastrich in the setup thread to the debate between Gastrich and Johnny Skeptic, which may be found here. It's rather pathetic for a few reasons, not the least of which is that Gastrich has already said more than once that he wants nothing to do with the self-named "Bible John." If one forgets, for the moment, the lack of Christian love and charity that Gastrich shows in his public denunciations of Wolf, it is evident that Wolf has a couple of problems, not the very least of which is his poor taste in those to whom he would cling. Wolf, in his own way, publicly exposed or helped to exoisesome of Gastrich's lies and "failures," and Gastrich, not a Christian, at all, is not likely to ever forgive such things.

The claims that atheists hate has been answered, just as Wolf has been told over and over again that I am not an atheist. Since his public whimper, as we see above, was directed at me, every bit as much as it was directed to Gastrich, I think it's fair to point it out.

Wolf claims that atheists "bounce" on the failures of self-appointed ministers such as he and Gastrich. I suppose that what was meant was "pounce." Regardless, those ministers with few or relatively minor "failures" don't generally get any attention. The failures manifested in the ministerial efforts of Wolf and his ne'er-do-well mentor, Gastrich, are massive and frequent. Wolf, for example, demonstrates a lack of any real worship of God. Through his actions, Wolf shows that he is a follower. In effect, he worships the Bible (not God) and certain selected people, as well as himself. Gastrich, of course, worships only himself. It is generally believed that both engage in self-promotion through several mechanisms that are suspect, at the very least, and so those mechanisms are frequently exposed. These are the "failures" to which Wolf refers.

Wolf continues to whine about "massive" attacks on his ministry, and claims that I exagerrated a PM that he sent which, in effect, accused me of participation, if not "master minding" those attacks. I deleted the PM and blocked Wolf from sending any more. However, the fact remains that he did PM me. Wolf made insinuations for which he has no cause - I don't go around vandalizing guest books, for one thing. I actually doubt that anything more than a message or two was placed in that guest book, but there was no lie on my part. Wolf's PM asked if I had anything to do with it and, if I did, I was to stop. Again, Wolf had no cause to believe and no evidence to support that I had anything to do with whatever vandalism might have occurred. Wolf's comments were, in effect, an accusation.

Bible John

Horn CERM is receiving massive posts to our guestbook every single day. Many of these I do not approve for posting.

Whoever is behind these posts is to stop.

I am tired of it. But then again perhaps these posts do nothing but expose the hate filled atheists and agnostics.

Bible John

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bobhope2112

Actually, those entries look like you've been spotted by a spammer trying to raise page rankings for his clients. It may well not be a malicious act beyond the general disregard those scum suckers show towards civilized discourse.

Here's someone that run into that behavior, and what they did about it:
<http://www.bytebrothers.org/SpammerRepellent.htm>

More discussion about guest book security:
<http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum48/2527.htm>

SonOfFred

And, surprise, surprise, there's no evidence that I have anything to do with it. Wolf has been whimpering about CERM for quite some time in the groups, including the constant posting of a URL, so who's surprised that he's getting spammed.

Oh, and let's note that Wolf didn't answer my points, nor is he able to show that I lied when I said that he effectively accused me of vandalizing his site.

Bible John

For times like these and for people like Horn, there is a need for someone that specializes in exposing Fraud. Perhaps CERM will also invest in such a effort as another minister of like mind and faith also has spent some valuable resources into building.

Bogie

Translation: "I desperately want to be like Jason 'Fraudbuster' Gastrich. I hope that this post got his attention."