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Old 04-26-2007, 04:15 PM   #91
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If he never existed, when are we living in 2007 AD? After who's death?
Birth, not death. And it's wrong.
Blame that mistake on a Scythian monk named Dionysius Exiguus (Dennis the short) who in the sixth century was given the job of changing the Julian calendar... which used Julies Ceasar as it's starting point... to a Catholic calendar, by the Pope.
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If a Christian is so gullible, why don't we go along with you in your arguments?
Possibly because you're too wrapped up in believing this one:
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Old 04-26-2007, 04:33 PM   #93
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The Bible is a history text. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. To claim the whole thing in it's entirety has to be false, is to deny the only historical text that explains what was going on in that time,
the bible is a load of krapola, writen by some ancient primitives who had no clue what earth,universe,the sun stars etc made of so they invented all these gods to explain the unknown,in short they LIED

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:20 PM   #94
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According to you they were all lying, those who wrote of Jesus' miracles. To have that many liars, risking their lives for their lies, to never back out of their lie and to die for it. To me that seems not probable. People are willing to die for the truth, most people will not die for a lie. I am not talking about what I think, I am speaking on a psychological point of view.
Sorry to bring this up so late but some questions regarding this ...

How many of the original 11 (not counting Judas I.) were killed for preaching the risen Christ ???

Do you have any information on dates , places and by whom were they executed ???

I do not dispute that there were many later martyrs ... but my question is regarding the original dusciples / apostles ....

The question raised in the OP (IMO) is a very valid one ... and it seems that ziffel :notworthy: has captured the essence of the arguement ...
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:23 PM   #95
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If a Christian is so gullible, why don't we go along with you in your arguments?
Probably because the christians got to you before the evidence based thinkers got to you.
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:37 PM   #96
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I guess arguing recorded history is the new technique.
naw its pretty old technique ....used especialy by religious folk
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I guess my grandfather is possibly not real or never existed and is just a fable my family speaks about and I am not really here either. You are right, recorded history is just a bunch of Mumbo Jumbo. Nothing ever happened before us and all those records are fabricated. They are absolutely not proof of existence. So, what in recorded history do you accept as history?
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Is Julius Caesar one you don't recognize? What about John the Baptist? What about Herod, is he real? King Tut? Who else is false?
is ANYONE asking you to WORSHIP these dudes or ELSE!!! : :banghead:
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Incredible strength, patience, self confidence, reassurance, happiness, comfort, understanding, need more?
You don't need prayer for that unless you think you do. It's called the placebo effect.
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There is no body.
They never found Alexander the Great's body. That proves he's a god and the son of Zeus.
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One more quick thing, what is the probability that all the writers of the Bible were deluded?
100%. Bats are not birds. Insects don'e have 4 legs. The Bible contradicts itself and is provably wrong on many things.
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Sorry to bring this up so late but some questions regarding this ...

How many of the original 11 (not counting Judas I.) were killed for preaching the risen Christ ???

Do you have any information on dates , places and by whom were they executed ???

I do not dispute that there were many later martyrs ... but my question is regarding the original dusciples / apostles ....

The question raised in the OP (IMO) is a very valid one ... and it seems that ziffel :notworthy: has captured the essence of the arguement ...

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/disciples.html

Here's a brief biography on the researcher in case you need credentials.

http://www.grantjeffrey.com/bio.htm
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