Starboy

drusus, those were quotes from our exchange. Think what you want and I'll do the same.

Starboy

wildernesse

Catholics make up only about a fourth of the Christians in the US. Protestants are by far more numerous in this country and are over 50% of the Christians, and therefore would be the largest group of theists in America.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#ubiquitous

--tibac

livius drusus

Oh so you are aware there are moderate Christians working to uphold CSS. But the 2 dozen groups I found with a cursory Google search are not enough, I suppose, to answer the where are all the friggen Christians question. Why?

Ah, I see. Because of the Catholic Church. All those millions of fundy Catholics trying to bring down the wall of separation like it's Jericho all over again. It's risible.

livius drusus

Claiming I said x in response to y when I said it in response to z is either a massive error of reading comprehension or a deliberate deception. The record is here for all to see.

seebs

As I recall, the Catholic Church is actually generally in favor of a reasonable degree of separation between church and state. They do, IMHO, tend to be a bit too aggressive in wanting laws to enforce morality, but then, I'm always pushing for laws against murder, so who am I to judge?

I wouldn't call them fundies, in general.

Starboy

So are you trying to say that most of the doctrines of protestant churches do not see god as an authority higher than the constitution? If I am not mistaken most of the protestant denomination in the US derive from the church of England. A church that is part of the state and ruled by the Queen of England. There is just no getting around it. If you are from a "truth" mongering tradition you are gonna think that god comes first, the law of the land comes second.

Starboy

Gurdur

Factually wrong. You are thinking of the USA Episcopalians.
They are not the Church Of England. Loosely allied, but most definitely not the same.

BTW, isn't getting your facts right an atheist duty ?

And you are just so wrong again.
The USA Episcopalians do not recognize Queen Elizabeth II as the head of the church.

Dearie me !
But if you want to talk about the United Kingdom, where in fact church and state are not seperated, and the CofE has the Queen as head......
why, you can tell us just why the UK is far more secular than the USA.

I look forward to this.

livius drusus

If this was in response to me I was being facetious. American Catholics are (with rare exceptions) moderate, even liberal, on everything from social issues to CSS. Catholics For Choice has an interesting article on how Catholics' political positions diverge widely from the official Church stance.

Starboy

First off I am not calling them fundies. Just illustrating that theism is not all the benign. I personally do not see a difference in kind between most religions just a difference in degree. Secondly perhaps many American Catholics don't feel that way but that is not what they are taught by their religion. It is only what is taught in civics class that counterbalances the teaching of god as the highest authority.

Starboy

Starboy

Gurdur, not what I said. Derived from not part of. Secondly are you contending that such religions do not teach that god trumps the rule of man?

Starboy