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hinduwoman · 02-07-2004, 08:29 PM

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For long they have said Hindu Gods were devils and any worship of Them is a heathen practice. Now Christian zealots have outdone themselves by taking a giant leap of faith and claiming that the various Vedic Sanskrit slogans were in praise of Jesus and not Hindu Gods.
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Om Sri Brahma Puthraya Nama reads as 'I worship Jesus, who came to the world as God's son (Yowan 3:16.17)'.
Om Shri Dakshina Murthaya Nama is translated as 'I worship Jesus who is sitting on the thigh of his father (Yowan (1:18)'.
Taking specific mantras from Sama Veda, the Christian marketers say 'Om Sri Panchakaya Nama refers to Jesus, the one with five wounds (panchakaya) Yowan 20:25.27. Om Sri Ummathiya Nama is translated as 'I hail one born to the holy spirit' (Mathew 1:18).
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Bhagwat Gita is also not left alone. In a seeming translation of a verse from Neethicharam, the pamphlet says that 'those fools who worship statues made up of stone, wood and metal would beget nothing other than misery and would not be pardoned'.
Of course, this is plain duplicitous misinterpretation. But they have not stopped with that.
They go on to plain falsehoods.
The pamphlets invoke Swami Vivekananda* and say that he wanted hundreds and thousands of Christian religious workers to come to India so that the preaching of Jesus could go to the hearts of all Hindu people.
Understandably the locals are highly offended at the effrontery of the evangelists. Apart from the farcical and facile reasonings in the hand-outs, the locals say the fact they (evangelists) made bold to deliver them in every household makes clear their rabid fundamentalism

*Vivekanada set up Hindu missionary instituions.

WHY do the idiots go on doing this? Do they think everyone is as uneducated and stupid as themselves?

And now I suppose when a homeowner kicks them out there will be cries of Hindu persecution of innocent minorities.

Occams_Razor · 02-07-2004, 09:03 PM

God how sickening. But in the end this will bite them. Something so easily proved false, and obviously in bad faith, and directed at a community that is not friendly to christain conversion in the first place, will lead to a negative effect for the proselytizers.

At least one can hope. On the other hand I'm continuously shocked at people credulity for easily debunked and obviously wrong ideas. I mean people try to rewrite whole portions of history and somehow get converts (holocaust deniers come to mind) or others are actually silly enough to become members of the flat earth society.

Actually now that I think about it, the fact that most of humanity can be so illogical as to believe in god, makes me wonder if maybe this tactic will work.

In any case, it's very distasteful, but true to form.

Weltall · 02-07-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by hinduwoman
WHY do the idiots go on doing this? Do they think everyone is as uneducated and stupid as themselves?

I wouldn't put it past them. Another possibility is that they've run out of arguments that sound vaguely logical so they have to fall back on rewriting other people's books. Yet another reason I couldn't remain a believer; If Christians had GOOD arguments to make they wouldn't need to do these kinds of tasteless things.

Rational BAC · 02-07-2004, 11:17 PM

Christians can be awful sneaky bastards, can't they?

They say "Alls fair in love and war".

Really should add religion to that.

The Evil One · 02-08-2004, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by hinduwoman

WHY do the idiots go on doing this? Do they think everyone is as uneducated and stupid as themselves?

Yes, they do. And on average, they're right.

spinoza · 02-08-2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Rational BAC
Christians can be awful sneaky bastards, can't they?

They say "All's fair in love and war."

Really should add religion to that.

Except that it's redundant. For some people, religion is love. For others -- too many others -- it's war.

NZAmoeba · 02-08-2004, 03:52 PM

And now i can bet these arguments will also appear from evangelicals in the western world to try and convince heathens that EVERYONE believes in jesus.

hinduwoman · 02-10-2004, 06:51 PM

Actually the missionaries have been trying to say for the last 100 years that Christ is the fulfilment of Hinduism. Since that is not working, I suppose they have taken to rewriting scriptures. (sigh!)

But this is really stupid. More people are educated nowadays, educated enough to know that the translations are all wrong.
And the missionaries wonder why they are not liked. :banghead:

lpetrich · 02-10-2004, 11:45 PM

Hinduwoman, this seems like a very old tactic. Simply read where Paul describes himself as having made himself all things to all people: 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. And read in Acts 17 where Paul claims that some "Unknown God" as really the Xtian God.

I wonder when such evangelists are going to start bragging about how the Bible described evolution in detail long before the publication of Charles Darwin's magnum opus.

Thor Q. Mada · 02-24-2004, 01:44 AM

There is at the moment a huge effort by the US religious sects to penetrate Asia. This counts for India, China, the Phil.
It is worrying. Even the Phil domestic helpers here in Hong Kong are their target. We have Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons, S. Baptists, Methodists etc.
In India however, this will eventually lead to violence. It was not enought to have an explosive mixture of Hindus and Moslims, now we are trying to increase the numbers of the thusfar insignificant xian segment.
Well, the missionaries all have hopes of becoming martyrs. Lets look forward.

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02-07-2004, 09:03 PM	#2
Occams_Razor Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 664	God how sickening. But in the end this will bite them. Something so easily proved false, and obviously in bad faith, and directed at a community that is not friendly to christain conversion in the first place, will lead to a negative effect for the proselytizers. At least one can hope. On the other hand I'm continuously shocked at people credulity for easily debunked and obviously wrong ideas. I mean people try to rewrite whole portions of history and somehow get converts (holocaust deniers come to mind) or others are actually silly enough to become members of the flat earth society. Actually now that I think about it, the fact that most of humanity can be so illogical as to believe in god, makes me wonder if maybe this tactic will work. In any case, it's very distasteful, but true to form.

02-07-2004, 11:17 PM	#4
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	Christians can be awful sneaky bastards, can't they? They say "Alls fair in love and war". Really should add religion to that.

02-08-2004, 03:52 PM	#7
NZAmoeba Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 478	And now i can bet these arguments will also appear from evangelicals in the western world to try and convince heathens that EVERYONE believes in jesus.

02-10-2004, 06:51 PM	#8
hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	Actually the missionaries have been trying to say for the last 100 years that Christ is the fulfilment of Hinduism. Since that is not working, I suppose they have taken to rewriting scriptures. (sigh!) But this is really stupid. More people are educated nowadays, educated enough to know that the translations are all wrong. And the missionaries wonder why they are not liked. :banghead:

02-10-2004, 11:45 PM	#9
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Hinduwoman, this seems like a very old tactic. Simply read where Paul describes himself as having made himself all things to all people: 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. And read in Acts 17 where Paul claims that some "Unknown God" as really the Xtian God. I wonder when such evangelists are going to start bragging about how the Bible described evolution in detail long before the publication of Charles Darwin's magnum opus.

02-24-2004, 01:44 AM	#10
Thor Q. Mada Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Asia Posts: 3,558	There is at the moment a huge effort by the US religious sects to penetrate Asia. This counts for India, China, the Phil. It is worrying. Even the Phil domestic helpers here in Hong Kong are their target. We have Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons, S. Baptists, Methodists etc. In India however, this will eventually lead to violence. It was not enought to have an explosive mixture of Hindus and Moslims, now we are trying to increase the numbers of the thusfar insignificant xian segment. Well, the missionaries all have hopes of becoming martyrs. Lets look forward.

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