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Tigers! · 07-02-2007, 06:39 PM

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When the Bible and Jesus say to love your neighbor, it would have been extremely helpful if it had defined "neighbor."

I find it easy to assume that neighbour is anyone that I have contact with or can help.

Gullwind · 07-02-2007, 07:26 PM

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I find it easy to assume that neighbour is anyone that I have contact with or can help.

Interestingly, the Jehovah's Witnesses seem to define it as others who believe as they do. Based on the one I have discussed things with, they seem to have a rather elitist mindset.

Chili · 07-03-2007, 04:00 AM

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Ah but don't you known: the "unknown author" is timeless.

That's what Oded Golan said
to the Tel Aviv police.

Time itself, and scientific research will unravel the
history of the invention of the Roman religion.

So what? Religion is a game that we play to further the kingdom of God wherein we are co-creators and you must admit that we have come a long way since then . . . which is not a given because there still is only one Mona Lisa and Shakespeare still comes from good old Catholic Stratford.

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Anyway, I like it this way. It is so Romantic, don't you think?

Theological romance was the genre described by the
author Edwin Johnson, ("Antiqua Mater: A Study of
Christian Origins") to which Eusebius' writings might
be classified. That was over 100 years ago, and
times change Chili.

I prefer to look at it as a crime story perpetrated
at the military supremacy council of Nicaea, for the
purpose of the invention of a state religion; and I
think that scientific and/or archeological evidence
may tell us more about this crime: of fraudulent
misrepresentation of ancient history, of fraudulent
interpolations into the texts of earlier authors of
antiquity, and in the perversion of extant writings
in the fourth century.

Lavish forgery on an imperial scale; the fabrication
of the Galilaeans has as much integrity as the Historia
Augusta. The genre is not romance but fraud.

But I spelled Romantic with a capital R and that excludes theology which is a study for outsiders who cannot get in because it is a closed community that took 400 years to built. The concept heaven as the reign of God is very much religion specific that requires content and continuity of content to which the believer must return or the word re-demption makes no sense.

Remember here that the reign of God is inside us which gives meaning and content to the word mansion that spans 1000 years. If this mansion is filled with piss and vinegar all that science will discover as an outsider will be more piss and vinegar which kind of makes heaven beyond judgement from down below and the Church infallible after all.

Chili · 07-03-2007, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TomboyMom

When the Bible and Jesus say to love your neighbor, it would have been extremely helpful if it had defined "neighbor."

Jesus defined 'how' to love and once we know that even a broken reed can be our neighbor.

Boro Nut · 07-03-2007, 05:20 AM

It would be interesting to see how many marches and demonstrations there would be outside federal buildings and schools if the bible had spelled out the ten commandments fully and specifically, instead of just assuming people had basic reading comprehension skills and could understand what is clearly being said in context. Something along the lines of:

1 - Thou Shalt Not Kill (a Jew)
2 - Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy (Jewish) Neighbours Wife
3 - Thou Shalt Not Steal (from a Jew)
4 - Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness (against a Jew)
Etc.

I think you get the picture.

Boro Nut

Clouseau · 07-03-2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Boro Nut

It would be interesting to see how many marches and demonstrations there would be outside federal buildings and schools if the bible had spelled out the ten commandments fully and specifically, instead of just assuming people had basic reading comprehension skills and could understand what is clearly being said in context. Something along the lines of:

1 - Thou Shalt Not Kill (a Jew)
2 - Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy (Jewish) Neighbours Wife
3 - Thou Shalt Not Steal (from a Jew)
4 - Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness (against a Jew)
Etc.

I think you get the picture.

Looks like a frame-up, to me.

It should also be noted that the Decalogue has been superseded anyway, a fact that the US of A stubbornly ignores in its frogmarch down the broad road to destruction.

stp2007 · 07-03-2007, 05:56 AM

I wish the bible clearly defined which parts were meant to be taken literally.

Tigers! · 07-03-2007, 06:17 AM

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I wish the bible clearly defined which parts were meant to be taken literally.

I sure that if it did then some would quibble whether that was to be taken literally.

Clouseau · 07-03-2007, 06:24 AM

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I wish the bible clearly defined which parts were meant to be taken literally.

Why?

Chili · 07-03-2007, 06:56 AM

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I wish the bible clearly defined which parts were meant to be taken literally.

It does!

"My blood is real drink and my body is real food. The rest is metaphor.

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07-03-2007, 05:20 AM	#45
Boro Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Middlesbrough, England Posts: 3,909	It would be interesting to see how many marches and demonstrations there would be outside federal buildings and schools if the bible had spelled out the ten commandments fully and specifically, instead of just assuming people had basic reading comprehension skills and could understand what is clearly being said in context. Something along the lines of: 1 - Thou Shalt Not Kill (a Jew) 2 - Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy (Jewish) Neighbours Wife 3 - Thou Shalt Not Steal (from a Jew) 4 - Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness (against a Jew) Etc. I think you get the picture. Boro Nut

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stp2007 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 59	I wish the bible clearly defined which parts were meant to be taken literally.

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