Anonymous_

Look not to Revelation, but (for example) to Psalm 26.11.

Elkington's book should do quite nicely. Just another "biblical studies" scam (yawn).

Toto

To be fair to Biblical Studies, Elkington has no claim to be in that field. He does claim at varioius times to be an Egyptologist, but I'm surprised that no one has labeled him a pyramidiot - yet.

Anonymous_

To be fair to Biblical Studies, Elkington stated, in his letter to Thonemann:

I'm sure they'll be able to work it out in a collegial manner at SBL.

Toto

And of course we believe him. :Cheeky:

According to this "David has been led on a revelatory trail through world mythology, linguistics and philology into geophysics, architecture, acoustics, music, neuro-physiology, theology and still further into the all-encompassing, resonant atmosphere of the planet." He somehow forgot to mention his specialties in biblical history and Christian and Jewish origins.

You can read more of his expertise here

stephan huller

Sounds like one of the frequent posters at the Jesus Mysteries Yahoo Group.

Sheshbazzar

Need to send them off to Salt Lake City to find out what Moroni wrote this time.

Toto

Driving home, I heard David Elkington on Coast2Coast. (In previous weeks, I had heard Bart Ehrman on C2C.)

He did not claim any particular Biblical expertise, and he admitted that there were some obvious forgeries included with the codices. But he claimed that the age of the metal was proof of the ancient nature of the codices. He kept saying, if these are forgeries, what are they forgeries of? Wouldn't a forger try to forge a known type, such as a scroll?

His bio there says:I didn't hear the end of the program. The host was about to get into end time prophecies.

stephan huller

What a curious argument! He admits there are forgeries included in the mix but then still supposes that some of the lead codices are authentic. That requires some twisted logic. Why not ask - how could there be fakes mixed in with authentic texts?!? That would be the better question.

Now they have released 'the face of Jesus' and the image of the 'map of Christian Jerusalem.' What an industry of bullshit the news is nowadays

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ent-books.html

There is more information here than was released last week. The question now is - do any of us care?

1. ... Astonishingly, one of the booklets appears to bear the words ‘Saviour of Israel’

2. the artefacts were originally found in a cave in the village of Saham in Jordan, close to where Israel, Jordan and Syria’s Golan Heights converge – and within three miles of the Israeli spa and hot springs of Hamat Gader, a religious site for thousands of years ... The cave is less than 100 miles from Qumran, where the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, and around 60 miles from Masada, scene of the last stand and mass suicide of an extremist Zealot sect in the face of a Roman Army siege in 72AD – two years after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem.
It is also close to caves that have been used as sanctuaries by refugees from the Bar Kokhba revolt, the third and final Jewish revolt against the Roman Empire in 132AD.

3. The followers of Simon Bar Kokhba, the commander of the revolt, acclaimed him as a Messiah, a heroic figure who could restore Israel. Although Jewish Christians hailed Jesus as the Messiah and did not support Bar Kokhba, they were barred from Jerusalem along with the rest of the Jews. The war and its aftermath helped differentiate Christianity as a religion distinct from Judaism.
The spiritual leader of the revolt was Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai, who laid the foundations for a mystical form of Judaism known today as Kabbalah, which is followed by Madonna, Britney Spears and others. Yochai hid in a cave for 13 years and wrote a secret commentary on the Bible, the Zohar, which evolved into the teaching of Kabbalah. Feather is convinced that some of the text on the codices carry the name of Rabbi Bar Yochai

4. Saida, who is in his mid-30s and married with five or six children, claims he inherited the booklets from his grandfather.
However, The Mail on Sunday has learned of claims that they first came to light five years ago when his Bedouin business partner met a villager in Jordan who said he had some ancient artefacts to sell.
The business partner was apparently shown two very small metal books. He brought them back over the border to Israel and Saida became entranced by them, coming to believe they had magical properties and that it was his fate to collect as many as he could.

5. More of the booklets were clandestinely smuggled across the border by drivers working for Saida – the smaller ones were typically worn openly as charms hanging from chains around the drivers’ necks, the larger concealed behind car and lorry dashboards. In order to finance the purchase of booklets from the Jordanians who had initially discovered them, Saida allegedly went into partnership with a number of other people – including his lawyer from Haifa, Israel. Saida’s motives are complex. He constantly studies the booklets, but does not take particularly good care of them, opening some and coating them in olive oil in order to ‘preserve’ them.

6. The artefacts have been seen by multi-millionaire collectors of antiquities in both Israel and Europe – and Saida has been offered tens of millions of pounds for just a few of them, but has declined to sell any.

This is a twisted story. It would have been great to see if it were authentic.

Here is one observation, and I hope I don't get attack for it. Some of the lead codices seem to be associated with the Bar Kochba revolt. Why mix together all sorts of different images, languages, cultures and styles? I have to admit that even though I know that the evidence from Jim Davilla's blog is absolutely compelling. The logic of these criminals is hard to fathom. Did they find a series of blank lead plates bound together with two thousand year old string and then decide to take a trip to the museum? If not where did they get the idea to manufacture something which the IAA acknowledges has never before been seen in Israel?

So let's presume that the idea of the lead codices was authentic - i.e. that a real discovery took place before at least one forgery was attempted. Maybe all the pages were blank and then they went to the museum. What is the business about 'preserving the discovery in olive oil?' Was this part of the manufacturing process?

The objects must have been manufactured in Jordan. But even this is strange. It seems they were aware of Jordanian law regarding discoveries being the property of the royal family. Why not manufacture the fakes in Israel where no such laws exist. I don't know what the laws are like in Israel about the discovery of artifacts. Maybe they are worse. Maybe the story about smuggling was just a means to evade Israeli law. Maybe they were manufactured in Israel. But something tells me that the idea of discovering something in the cave - perhaps not fully inscribed codices but a series of blank lead plates - might be true. Otherwise why get mixed up with the Jordanian legal issue.

maryhelena

Since, it's now down to faces - perhaps this face might be a contender....


http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotvie...ea5e8069bc8a07

OK - I'll run.......

stephan huller

Here's another contender