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breathilizer · 04-18-2004, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Iacchus

No, then that suggests the center must be everywhere. Isn't this what our consciousness tells us, that in fact we are the center of who we are?

center
A point or place that is equally distant from the sides or outer boundaries of something

you know what that means? That means in order for something to have a center, it must have sides or boundaries, which anything that is endless does not.

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What, you're saying the Universe is not all inclusive then?

No, I'm saying that the universe is a cluster of mass. If there is* space (empty space) beyond that mass, then that space probably goes on forever.

The universe does not go on forever. And, it isn't that hard to determine where the real center of it is. It is wherever the Big Bang took place.

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Yes, I am the center of the Universe, just as you are. Hmm ... come to think of it, wouldn't that be another way of saying God embraces everything?

Sorry, Iaachus, but you're going to have to define exactly what you mean by "center of the universe" in this statement. If you mean it in a literal sense, then you are literally insane. If you mean it in the metaphorical sense, which really just means "center of attention," then you've just merged one topic with another and that's not gonna fly. They don't mean the same thing. You are the center of your own attention, not of mine. And, you aren't the center of any universe.

And where the hell to you go from "center of the universe" to God embracing everything?

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Exactly! ...

In my example, the use of the phrase "world revolve around" is meant in a metaphorical sense, once again meaning center of attention relative to each individual. In my mind, I am the center of attention. In your mind, you are the center of attention.

Again, state what you mean by "center of the universe." Do you mean it in a literal sense, or in a metaphorical sense?

*not saying there is

Iacchus · 04-18-2004, 01:25 AM

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And why shouldn't you stop beating your wife...

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People who used to believe the earth was the center of physical universe, also believed that God stood in the midst of it as well.

breathilizer · 04-18-2004, 01:26 AM

Iaachus, get that Bi-bull out of our faces. Don't we have enough filth cluttering the internet?

breathilizer · 04-18-2004, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Iacchus

People who used to believe the earth was the center of physical universe, also believed that God stood in the midst of it as well.

Good point, and guess what. They were freakin WRONG

Iacchus · 04-18-2004, 01:37 AM

Excerpt from Joseph Campbell's, The Power of Myth ...

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The vision of Black Elk ...

He says, "I saw myself on the central mountain of the world, the highest place, and I had a vision because I was seeing in the sacred manner of the world." And the sacred central mountain was Harney Peak in South Dakota. And then he says, "But the central mountain is everywhere."

That is a real mythological realization. It distinguishes between the local cult image, Harney Peak, and it's connotation as the center of the world. The center of the world is the axis mundi, the central point, the pole around which all revolves. The central point of the world is the point where stillness and movement are together. Movement is time, but stillness is eternity. Realizing how this moment of your life is actually a moment of eternity, and experiencing the eternal aspect of what you're doing in the temporal experience -- this is the mythological experience.

breathilizer · 04-18-2004, 01:39 AM

Great, Iaachus. You want to grab me some live roosters and some shrunken monkey heads so that we can get down to some real voodoo science?

Iacchus · 04-18-2004, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by breathilizer

Again, state what you mean by "center of the universe." Do you mean it in a literal sense, or in a metaphorical sense?

Time and space comes together in the here and now. Which is everywhere, right here, right now, in the Eternal Moment.

In other words the center of the Universe is everywhere.

Ellis14 · 04-18-2004, 05:24 AM

Despite the odd reference to God, this doesn't really belong in EoG. Moved to S & S.

Ellis10

Weltall · 04-18-2004, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Iacchus

Yes, why shouldn't people focus on that which is most intrinsic to them, God in other words?

Funny, I always figured that the self was most intrinsic. I've never felt this Jesus fellow as intrinsic to my being and I'll bet you that about two thirds of the human race would agree with me.

Iacchus · 04-18-2004, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellis10

Despite the odd reference to God, this doesn't really belong in EoG. Moved to S & S.

Ellis10

What does this have to do with science or, skepticism? ... Except for the fact that I might be a little skeptical of science, but that's another matter.

Or, perhaps this "find the center of who are" thing is getting a little bit too close to home for some of you Atheists?

"Be still ... and know that I am God." Yes, it speaks of the very same thing. We will only find God in the stillness of the moment. And where do we find that stillness? ... but in our center.

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breathilizer Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,090	Great, Iaachus. You want to grab me some live roosters and some shrunken monkey heads so that we can get down to some real voodoo science?

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