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Old 12-13-2009, 08:34 PM   #271
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Jesus was just an invention and compilation of metaphorical stories backdated and believed to be true or was intended to be believed.
Excuse me... did I stutter? Stories are invented, people are not. Stories can be metaphorical, people can not.
I have a book of fiction in front of me and there are the following words.
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ALL the persons and events in this book are entirely imaginary.

Nothing in it derives from anything which ever happened.
Those words are missing from the NT.

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I admire your ability to tell what, 2000 years ago, people from a completely different culture from yours thought and intended... YOU are truly miraculous!
I am not the one who wrote Matthew 1.18, Luke 1.35, John 1, Mark 9.2, Mark 16.6, Acts 1.9 or Galatians 1.1.

According to a Pauline writer Jesus did resurrect and he saw him in a resurrected state with over 500 people.

Now, how is that you want to tell me about 2000 years ago when you are from a completely different culture?

But, upon reflection, you may have the same culture of people 2000 years ago, you believe the offspring of the Holy Ghost of God was of human flesh.

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Why can't you admit that these writers found the life and teachings of this man remarkable and embellished it, enhanced it and glorified it to make it UNFORGETTABLE? Just like writers have done about extraordinary men since language first began... Do you think Adam lived 600 years and Methusaleh 900 years? Do you think the authors really intended anyone to believe that literally?
But, what did Jesus, the offspring of the HOLY GHOST, do that was remarkable when virtually all the stories about him are metaphorical?

When did your Adam and Methusaleh live?
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I have a book of fiction in front of me and there are the following words.
"ALL the persons and events in this book are entirely imaginary.
Nothing in it derives from anything which ever happened."
Those words are missing from the NT.
Wow. Is that what you are looking for? Should I show you where to find them? The Bible is actually very clear as to when it is telling stories and when it is being historical. The authors obviously expected more intellect from its readers than you. When impossible things happen, like animals talking... that is story and when it talks about real life people in real life situations, that is real. So walking on water, snakes and apples, God walking around and talking with men, angels, devils... ALL of these things you can understand as stories with lessons.
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But, upon reflection, you may have the same culture of people 2000 years ago, you believe the offspring of the Holy Ghost of God was of human flesh.
There is no Holy Ghost, you intellectual homeless person. Spirit. Pneuma... a puff of air... There is no puff of air that can cause male DNA to appear from ... the air. Why do yo keep repeating the same false premises over and over and over and over and over .... ??????????????????????


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But, what did Jesus... do that was remarkable when virtually all the stories about him are metaphorical?
He taught a liberation theology to members of a society being destroyed by Hellenistic ideas... he taught poor people to resist the empire building of Rome and other powers and principalities. he taught people that life's fulfillment was in how we interact with other people, regardless of their status or ours.

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Granted that Jesus is mythical, so what?
A mythical Jesus is unlikely to burn you in hell.
A REAL Jesus is unlikely to burn you in hell, too.
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I have a book of fiction in front of me and there are the following words.
"ALL the persons and events in this book are entirely imaginary.
Nothing in it derives from anything which ever happened."
Those words are missing from the NT.
Wow. Is that what you are looking for? Should I show you where to find them? The Bible is actually very clear as to when it is telling stories and when it is being historical. The authors obviously expected more intellect from its readers than you. When impossible things happen, like animals talking... that is story and when it talks about real life people in real life situations, that is real. So walking on water, snakes and apples, God walking around and talking with men, angels, devils... ALL of these things you can understand as stories with lessons.
But, I have already told you that Jesus was just a story, a myth and you vehemently disagree. You are claiming Jesus was really human.

Now, if the authors expected more intellect from its readers why do you not realize that the Holy Ghost of God was a story with some lessons for the Jews?

This is what I understand so far.

Someone INVENTED a story about the Son of God, the offspring of the Holy Ghost who came to warn the Jews about the wrath to come. The Jews caused the Son of God, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, to be killed innocently. The Father of Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, therefore taught the Jews a lesson and allowed the Romans to destroy the Temple.


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There is no Holy Ghost, you intellectual homeless person. Spirit. Pneuma... a puff of air... There is no puff of air that can cause male DNA to appear from ... the air. Why do yo keep repeating the same false premises over and over and over and over and over .... ??????????????????????
There are lots of stories about the offspring of the Holy Ghost in the NT just like there are stories about other mythical entities in other writings of antiquity.

Now, each mythical entity has its own specific trait or characteristic. Jesus is uniquely described as the offspring of the Holy Ghost of God and a Virgin Mary.

No other mythical entity had such a baby.


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He taught a liberation theology to members of a society being destroyed by Hellenistic ideas... he taught poor people to resist the empire building of Rome and other powers and principalities. he taught people that life's fulfillment was in how we interact with other people, regardless of their status or ours.
I don't know where you got your information, but in the Gospels it is written that Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, taught that people should pay dues to the Romans.

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And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Jesus taught in parables so that the Jews may remain in sin and confused.

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All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them..
Jesus also taught his disciples that he would be killed and be raised on the third day.

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For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
And Jesus, the Holy Ghost of God, even taught that people should hate their father and mother for his sake.

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If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
And in gJohn, Jesus taught "I and my Father are one".

But what is most astonishing Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, gave fishing lessons or advice after he was raised from the dead.

John 21.5-6
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Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.

6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find.
The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition. Jesus was just an invented story even with fishing lessons after the resurrection.
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Granted that Jesus is mythical, so what?
A mythical Jesus is unlikely to burn you in hell.
But a real one would let you choose to avoid heaven.
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If you treat the NT as myth, you have to use your own intelligence to figure out what it means, and not be a lazy literalist. Then there is at least a chance that you might come out with some useful lessons.
If there was any evidence that the NT is entirely mythical then you'd have a point. All of the arguments in favor of a MJ in this thread are mainly a kind of argument of incredulity ( I can't figure it out so it's all a myth). However, as radical logic pointed out in his arguments, there can be natural explanations for extraordinary events. Thus, a Historical Jesus is a very sensible proposition.
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If there was any evidence that the NT is entirely mythical then you'd have a point. All of the arguments in favor of a MJ in this thread are mainly a kind of argument of incredulity ( I can't figure it out so it's all a myth). However, as radical logic pointed out in his arguments, there can be natural explanations for extraordinary events. Thus, a Historical Jesus is a very sensible proposition.
The scientific analysis of the New Testament looks at every discrepancy and contradiction as useful data for revealing the human history of the text.

The faith perspective looks at every discrepancy and contradiction as God's way of challenging believers to harmonize everything with the core message.

The first process leads to more questions, the second process turns back to the same answers.
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That is precisely what I have predicted. You will eventually get tired and admit that the HJ makes no sense.

You cannot show that your HJ did ever exist as human.

You cannot really tell where and when he/she lived.

You cannot really say what your HJ did.

You cannot really tell what your HJ said.

You have nothing but your imagination.

Now, the NONSENSE about Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, are all documented for the world to see.

Look at a partial list.

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Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost............20. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

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26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.............................................. .................................................. .. 2 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:


33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
The Virgin's baby was from the Holy Ghost.

We have an HG baby not an HJ.

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition since Jesus was multiple attested to be an HG with human flesh, a most mythical entity.
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You are amusing, but I tire of this nonsense.
That is precisely what I have predicted. You will eventually get tired and admit that the HJ makes no sense.
No misunderstand me. I tire of your nonsense. YOU make no sense.
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That is precisely what I have predicted. You will eventually get tired and admit that the HJ makes no sense.
No misunderstand me. I tire of your nonsense. YOU make no sense.
That too was predictable.

You don't understand that the nonsense is actually from NT. And unlike you I don't make stuff up about Jesus

I have more non-sense from Matthew 27. 50-53.


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51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
So, not only did Jesus come back to life after the third day, but bare bones, SKELETONS of the Saints, probably dead for hundreds of years paraded the holy city.

What non-sense!

But, you believe that Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, had human flesh.

What!

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition since the Gospels makes no sense unless Jesus was really Supernatural.
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