maryhelena

Bring it on Stephan, bring it on!

For heavens sake, Stephan, the Christian apologists, and NT scholars, have tried their best to establish the gospel JC as being a historical figure. And they have failed to do so. All they can do is plead for a real flesh and blood JC figure. And that is a faith position, an assumption.

You are really being silly here. You don't know me - so suggesting that I would say 'no' to any evidence that challenged or disproved my position is the height of arrogance. :angry:

maryhelena

Nobody is lying Stephan - don't you get that?

The gospel JC story is not a lie - it is a symbolic, mythological, theological, philosophical, perspective on a particular time period of Jewish history. History being retold in the timeless format of a story. And, as history has demonstrated, it was the best of all possible methods to preserve that perspective. Liars are always in danger of being exposed. 2000 years later and the gospel story has the pulling power that any modern day writer can only dream about. Liars - no Stephan, genius.

stephan huller

No there are people lying because people are claiming it happened in this year, or that it was one year or many years etc. Since Mark was the earliest gospel Matthew and Luke are forgeries.

maryhelena

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stephan huller

So the disagreements between the gospels are not caused by different people trying to change or adapt a historical understanding which existed before them. The various gospels, the various traditions are just independent 'inventions' happening simultaneously without being in competition of one another, none being aware of what came before them. Like hundreds of people all listening to different songs but somehow dancing together in some kind of unison.

maryhelena

Stephan, now your sounding like Marcion..........................:devil1:


Yes, there would be a cut off when no more storyline developments would be appreciated. The JC story is context bound - a context of history from Herod the Great until Claudius. Within the changing historical environment, within that specific context, developments in the JC storyline would be par for the course. The story is not, was never, set in stone. At best it's a template that allowed for updates due to the current, within context, developing historical situation.