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JEST2ASK · 10-10-2007, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith&Co.

Maybe i'm slow.
But in reference to the title of the thread, what exactly ARE the events of Exodus?

The entire nation enslaved by the Egyptians, of course.
A foundling raised as the son of a pharoh.
Some magic.
Some plagues.
Some walking.
A water crossing.
Some drownings.
Burning bush and some lightning caligraphy.
A party.
A party-pooper.
Forty years of punishment that probably made the previous enslavement a nostalgic time of plenty.
A funeral (traditionally held to be described in writing by the guest of honor at the funeral).
Promised land.

That's a lot. I'd really like to see archaeology show that the river turned to blood or that first born cattle died a few days after all the cattle of Egypt died. Hell, even 'a nation enslaved' would be a good find. A string of sandals preserved in the mud of the Red Sea, in a line going across, would be pretty damned cool.

Is there anywhere in this thread that any of that is actually...Confirmed?

I very vaugely recall the claim that multiple wheel like structures were found in the Red Sea :devil1: (to lazy / incompetent to provide reference or link :Cheeky: )

Keith&Co. · 10-10-2007, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JEST2ASK

I very vaugely recall the claim that multiple wheel like structures were found in the Red Sea

I kinda remember that. I thought it turned out to be merchandise either lost over the side of a barge or sunk with the barge?

Cege · 10-10-2007, 06:33 AM

God said to Moses: I'M who I'M. Who knew!

Could also be the creator of Instant Messaging.

Pappy Jack · 10-10-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JEST2ASK

I very vaugely recall the claim that multiple wheel like structures were found in the Red Sea :devil1: (to lazy / incompetent to provide reference or link :Cheeky: )

I think this may have been one of Ron Wyatt's contributions to archaeological knowledge:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

VoxRat · 10-10-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JEST2ASK

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I very vaugely recall the claim that multiple wheel like structures were found in the Red Sea :devil1: (to lazy / incompetent to provide reference or link :Cheeky: )

Oh, oh oh! Maybe that's what we call "sand dollars"

Lucretius · 10-10-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pappy Jack

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Originally Posted by JEST2ASK

I very vaugely recall the claim that multiple wheel like structures were found in the Red Sea :devil1: (to lazy / incompetent to provide reference or link :Cheeky: )

I think this may have been one of Ron Wyatt's contributions to archaeological knowledge:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

I do like this bit from the early pary of Wyatt's essay

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They are skeptical of the biblical account, perhaps because of a lack of archaeological evidence in the Sinai Peninsula and a lack of faith

I would have thought that a lack of any real archaeological evidence would be a very good reason for archaeologists to be sceptical, I would even go further and say it is the best possible reason to be sceptical.

Bboyneko · 10-10-2007, 07:49 AM

I'm sold!

PRAISE GOD

Lucretius · 10-10-2007, 07:55 AM

More stuff form Ron Wyats page about the Red Sea Crossing

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The beach at Nuweiba is extremely large and could have accommodated a large number of people at the time of Moses. Today you will find many hotels there and a village.

Surely a kind and loving God would have ensured that these were there ready for occupation when the Chosen People actually made the crossing

I still don't understand that if the Promised Land was generally to the north east God told them to go roughly east or south east .
Surely any God who could part the waters of a sea for a crossing would have had no problem sending them to the Promised Land by a more direct route even past Egyptian soldiers,who may have been barring their way.

Keith&Co. · 10-10-2007, 08:48 AM

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Egyptian soldiers,who may have been barring their way.

You know, i've never understood that part.
As long as the slaves are inside the border, badness rains down on the nation.
The local gods are apparently powerless to stop it.
THey leave, taking their petulant god with them.
....and the army would prevent their leaving....why?

Virginia-American · 10-10-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Virginia-American

If the Nation of Israel really had been enslaved in Egypt for a few hundred years, one would expect to find Egyptian loanwords in Hebrew. I have read (can't remember where) that the only Egyptian word in Hebrew is "Moses".

Does anyone here know more about this aspect of the Exodus story?

A quick google shows evidence for a few more ancient Egyptian words in Hebrew:

pharaoh

Susan(na) [Shoshanna]

Phineas [Phinechas]

Potiphar [debated]

Potiphera

sash [Hebrew shes]

That's about it.

Thanks.

Note that there are no words related to what the slaves were presumbly doing: I'm thinking of things like "quarry", "level", "stone-polishing implement", ie. the tools and materials related to building pyramids and temples. Or if they were agricultural slaves, why didn't they pick up Egyptian words for things like "barley-cutting scythe", "papyrus bundle", "dog bred for huntng birds in a marsh", and other cultural items not found in Palestine?

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