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Old 10-13-2012, 06:47 AM   #91
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The issue is whether Christ and the New Testament are expressions of the essence of Judaism. This is something that all scholars, whether Jew or not, affirm. In fact, only anti-semites deny it. Mythicism, at this time, by wilfully disregarding the unanimous scholarly understanding on this point, is the leading manifestation of pseudo-scholarly anti-semitism.
Your claim cannot be shown to be true and is also completely contradictory. Once it is admitted that there are Scholars who do NOT agree that Jesus is an expression of Judaism then it is WHOLLY absurd that you can still say ALL Scholars agree on the matter.

You are on a massive smear campaign against those who argue that Jesus was described as a Myth in the very Bible. You are on a massive smear campaign against those who show that in the very Bible Jesus claimed the Jews were of the Devil.


It is clear that in the very Gospels in the Canon that a Jesus character, the Son of a Ghost, was used by the authors to display hatred of the Jews.

Incredibly, the Jesus character in gJohn claimed the Jews were children of the Devil.

John 8:44 KJV
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Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do . He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it...
It is clear that the Jesus character, the Son of a Ghost, was used by the authors of the Gospels to implement a MASSIVE smear campaign AGAINST the Jews.

It is clear that the Jesus character, the Son of a Ghost, was used in the Gospel to propagate a Pack of lies against the Jews.

In Antiquities of the Jews 18 it is claimed that the Jews would rather die, have their necks chopped, than to have effigies of Tiberius placed in the Temple.

In "On the Embassy to Gaius" it is claimed that of all the nations on earth ONLY the Jews did NOT worship the Roman Emperor Gaius as a God.

The Jesus character, the Son of a Ghost, in the NT did NOT ever say a single word against the Evil Roman Empire who enslaved and massacred the Jews and other nations.
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Old 10-14-2012, 02:47 PM   #92
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Got that No-Robots?

Care to explain to everyone here what it is that you find anti-Semitic about these statements?
I can't say that I see anything in your quotations that touch upon mythical beings, or even redeemers. Seems to me you're just putting the usual heathenish spin on rather straight-forward Jewish texts. By the way, why not put the citations along with your quotations? Is it so you can prove yourself more Jewy than the next guy?
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Doherty (also classed as a 'mythicist') stresses the judaic roots of the messiah myth.
Please indicate the Judaic roots of his Middle Platonic celestial plane. Heck, I don't even see where there is even a Greek root in that.
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Doherty (also classed as a 'mythicist') stresses the judaic roots of the messiah myth.
Please indicate the Judaic roots of his Middle Platonic celestial plane. Heck, I don't even see where there is even a Greek root in that.
Book of Isaiah, book of Daniel for judaic roots. Messiah suffers and dies for your sins.

Plato was considered to be Greek - hence 'platonic'.

Sure, jews like everyone else, were smart enough to absorb ideas from others.

Why do you persist in thinking they were incapable of this? Do you imagine they were especially stupid or backward?
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The issue is whether Christ and the New Testament are expressions of the essence of Judaism. This is something that all scholars, whether Jew or not, affirm. In fact, only anti-semites deny it. Mythicism, at this time, by wilfully disregarding the unanimous scholarly understanding on this point, is the leading manifestation of pseudo-scholarly anti-semitism.
Your claim cannot be shown to be true and is also completely contradictory. Once it is admitted that there are Scholars who do NOT agree that Jesus is an expression of Judaism then it is WHOLLY absurd that you can still say ALL Scholars agree on the matter.

You are on a massive smear campaign against those who argue that Jesus was described as a Myth in the very Bible. You are on a massive smear campaign against those who show that in the very Bible Jesus claimed the Jews were of the Devil.


It is clear that in the very Gospels in the Canon that a Jesus character, the Son of a Ghost, was used by the authors to display hatred of the Jews.

Incredibly, the Jesus character in gJohn claimed the Jews were children of the Devil.

John 8:44 KJV
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Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do . He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it...
It is clear that the Jesus character, the Son of a Ghost, was used by the authors of the Gospels to implement a MASSIVE smear campaign AGAINST the Jews.

It is clear that the Jesus character, the Son of a Ghost, was used in the Gospel to propagate a Pack of lies against the Jews.

In Antiquities of the Jews 18 it is claimed that the Jews would rather die, have their necks chopped, than to have effigies of Tiberius placed in the Temple.

In "On the Embassy to Gaius" it is claimed that of all the nations on earth ONLY the Jews did NOT worship the Roman Emperor Gaius as a God.

The Jesus character, the Son of a Ghost, in the NT did NOT ever say a single word against the Evil Roman Empire who enslaved and massacred the Jews and other nations.
Apparently, according to no_robots, the 'essence' of judaism is anti-semitism.

But be careful about citations - it might tip your hand how more or less 'Jewy' you are...
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נביא אקים להם מקרב אחיהם כמוך ונתתי דברי בפיו ודבר אליהם את
כל־אשר אצונו׃
והיה האיש אשר לא־ישמע אל־דברי אשר ידבר בשמי אנכי אדרש מעמו׃
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= "אנכי אדרש מעמו׃"
הנביא ועבדו אשר־יקום יהוה תחתם היה יהושע המשיח אשר יעשה יהוה גאל לכל־בני ישראל׃
Got that No-Robots?

Care to explain to everyone here what it is that you find anti-Semitic about these statements?
I can't say that I see anything in your quotations that touch upon mythical beings, or even redeemers.
Seems to me you're just putting the usual heathenish spin on rather straight-forward Jewish texts. By the way, why not put the citations along with your quotations? Is it so you can prove yourself more Jewy than the next guy?
The citation is there, exactly as it reads in The Torah.

Care to explain to everyone here exactly what it was that I wrote above in Hebrew that you find to be 'anti Semetic', (that was the question after all)
and explain to everyone exactly what it was that you found in the above statements, to be a 'heathenish spin' ?


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Is it so you can prove yourself more Jewy than the next guy?
Hardly, as I am only a Hebrew, and am not, and never have been of the tribe of Judah, nor 'Jewish', nor ever practiced the 'Jewish' form of religion.




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