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JPD · 01-17-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fatpie42

Oh give me a break. So I can't say that Hitler is a bastard because he's not here to defend himself? Or are you going to say that I would have to say "in my opinion Hitler was a bastard"

If you want to ask WHY I think that Dawkins is arrogant then ask. If you want to give me the thumbs down sign for sharing my opinions then you can expect to be ignored from now on.

Yes, please explain why Dawkins - who has given us so much - is an asshole.

Hedshaker · 01-17-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Xrikcus

His opinion is fair, and I don't think it's necessary to put "in my opinion" with such a statement, noone would read it as a statement of fact. His opinion is also wrong, but why should he not hold it?

So then, in Dawkins absence, it's equally "fair" for me to re-address the balance and point that the attack against him are only opinion, not fact.

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Of course, it would be nice with some quotes to say exactly why he thinks Dawkins is an arsehole, but nothing's perfect. Maybe they were given, I haven't read back that far...

Agreed :thumbs: and they were not given, just asserted. I happen to think Dawkins is very brave to stand up and be counted in public. I also happen to agree with his view point and think he presented the progam admirably and professionaly. But that's just my opinion

Hedshaker · 01-17-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fatpie42

Oh give me a break. So I can't say that Hitler is a bastard because he's not here to defend himself? Or are you going to say that I would have to say "in my opinion Hitler was a bastard"

So now you equating Dawkins with Hitler? Nice

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If you want to ask WHY I think that Dawkins is arrogant then ask. If you want to give me the thumbs down sign for sharing my opinions then you can expect to be ignored from now on.

Oh please do, it's alway welcome to have a little less noise in my little corner of the universe. Just click the ignor button and add member. I would be proud to be on you ignor list. Thanks.

JPD · 01-17-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fatpie42

Oh give me a break. So I can't say that Hitler is a bastard because he's not here to defend himself? Or are you going to say that I would have to say "in my opinion Hitler was a bastard"

I suppose we could look at their output. Hitler - Mein Kampf and several million corpses. Dawkins - a number of elegant, beautiful and insightful books that engage and reward the reader. Hmmm...tricky. The thrust of your argument was, of course, not what they did but you could possibly not have chosen a worse example.

Helpmabob · 01-19-2006, 03:32 AM

Hi fatpie -

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ANY examples? Please? Helpmabob, is there a reason you've ignored me?

I see things differently from you, and I don't thnik my examples would improve the train of the thread.

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You don't seem to allow that many people in the world are Christians. With the proportion of people who CALL themselves Christians at around 20% and falling, and with the fact that you would deny the truth of that claim to many of them, …

The important thing is that: there was and is one Christ – what do you thnik of that? My only hope of salvation is in Him.

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The Israelites were never atheists. They didn't give up on their BELIEF in God. It is more likely that 'denial of God' in the OT refers to turning from moral action.

The Israelites turned to other gods (not necessarily accompanied by a disbelief as such in 'Yahweh' God) that they had made with their own hands, out of wood. One of the main themes is where the Israelites put their trust, rather than their belief, or lack of it, in God.

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Inevitably, with such a range of believers, the concept which is believed in varies considerably.

Again, there may be as many beliefs (including that of Richard Dawkins) as there are people, but there is only one God.

Oxymoron · 01-19-2006, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Helpmabob

My only hope of salvation is in Him.

Your miserably low self-esteem has condemned you to live in a fantasy world based around a silly old book for all eternity - ie the moment of your birth to the moment of your death. I pity you; by tethering yourself to this cloud-cuckoo-land entity to give your existence validity, you cut yourself off forever from your own sense of worth and purpose. You will die having only partially lived. What a waste.

Oolon Colluphid · 01-19-2006, 03:55 AM

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You will die having only partially lived. What a waste.

Yeah, but remember: it's his life, and while we can offer advice, we should not push it on him, and so he can waste it if he wants to.

I'd not be bothered by religion were it not for the way people feel they have to share it with others (especially children). Religion is like anal sex: fine between consenting adults, but do not force it on me (or even encourage me to participate in it). And when you've got it, you're buggered.

Oxymoron · 01-19-2006, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Oolon Colluphid

Yeah, but remember: it's his life, and while we can offer advice, we should not push it on him, and so he can waste it if he wants to.

True, true. But I like to turn Pascal's Wager on its head this way, because the theists all look down on the heathens from a variety of heights, but all > 0.

fatpie42 · 01-19-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JPD

I suppose we could look at their output. Hitler - Mein Kampf and several million corpses. Dawkins - a number of elegant, beautiful and insightful books that engage and reward the reader. Hmmm...tricky. The thrust of your argument was, of course, not what they did but you could possibly not have chosen a worse example.

Bleeding eck. Now I can't compare saints and mass-murderers because it is slander. Oh for goodness sake, give it a rest!

fatpie42 · 01-19-2006, 11:04 AM

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My only hope of salvation is in Him.

Your condemnation of over 80% of the human race currently living on this planet is in him too. Don't ever forget that.

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