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semiopen · 08-20-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

Acts of Pilate has a date ... 425 CE - the 100th Anniversary Of Nicaea

The date is quite specific - the year 425 CE - the 100th anniversary
of the Council of Nicaea - how coincidental.

The History of John has a named author and composer = Eusebius of Caesarea

In this text, the author appears to name himself ....

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THE HISTORY OF
JOHN, THE SON OF ZEBEDEE
THE APOSTLE AND EVANGELIST.

The history of John, the son of Zebedee, who lay upon the breast of our Lord Jesus at the supper, and said, "Lord, who betrayeth Thee?"

This history was composed by Eusebius of Cæsarea concerning S. John, who found it in a Greek book, and it was translated into Syriac, when he had learned concerning his way of life and his birth and his dwelling in the city of Ephesus, after the ascension of our Lord to Heaven.

The first example with Acts of Pilate gives the date by the year of a king's reign. Nowadays it would be odd to say "In the third year of the reign of Bush the younger." I think you are saying 425 CE can be derived from this which is fine.

Your second example doesn't show a date, could you note that if you get a chance?

I'm unclear on what the original poster was asking, but an intersting question is the first modern date type entry either from a Christian or Jewish perspective (I assume this probably happened at about the same time).

Common_Era

This says

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The year numbering system used with Common Era notation was devised by the monk Dionysius Exiguus in the year 525 to replace the Diocletian years, because he did not wish to continue the memory of a tyrant who persecuted Christians.

I think your first example does not use Diocletian years.

This seems to fit with a Talmudic origin of the Jewish system of years from creation, although I'm not sure what to make of Thomas Thompson's theory about the Hasmonean's artificially making the first year of their reign 4000 from creation. I think 164 BCE - 4000 = creation. Sorry in advance if I've misstated this. The pre flood guys had fluid life spans probably until the CE.

In any case, I don't think this system made it into their coins.

mountainman · 08-20-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

mountainman came up with a date in the Acts of Pilate, which is 1) a forgery 2) a bit past the period that this thread is concerned (we don't know the date - it is assigned to the 4th or 5th century by predominantly Christian scholars, but it is only known as part of a medieval manuscript, the Acts of Nicodemus.)

It happens to be one of mm's favorite topics, but he can't get anyone else interested in it, and he didn't make a connection to the OP. Does he think we are supposed to trust that date?

The source is the Christian Classics Ethereal Library. You appear to trust that source for many other issues, why not this one? Let me think for a minute.

Doh! Did Homer Jesus Simpson whisper something in someone's ear?

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