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Chili · 04-21-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben C Smith

[INDENT] Moreover, [A] Paul's "born of woman" is not only something that was said of certain mythical savior gods, like Dionysos, it is a detail he could well have based not on history, but on his source for all that he says about the Son: the scriptures.
It is not my intention to get into a fullblown debate over any one of these claims. I have been doing some background research on matters parallel to the discussion above, and just need to find the relevant texts.

Woman is not equal to female. Woman was taken from man to be his dowry in betrothal upon his return to Eden. Eden is where woman remained in purity and holiness through the greatness of Lord God and while there "did her work in good faith" (from Coriolanus) towards the sacred "yes" from God.

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What I would like to know, then, is the evidentiary basis for these three claims:

A. Certain savior gods, such as Dionysus, were said to have been born of a woman. (I know of one example from the Bacchae of Euripides, lines 987-990, in which Dionysus is said not to have been produced from the blood of women, but would like to see the texts that say he was.)

The blood of a woman is carnal or stained with the human condition and will never produce a God-child. That is what our "Immaculate Conception" is all about before the many questions added a human twist to it.

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[C. National gods were often regarded as having the same lineage as the nation. Let me be specific here. To find a god that was regarded as the father of the race or of certain individuals within it (such as Hercules of Alexander or Apollos of Augustus) is not exactly on point. What I am seeking is a parallel to the notion that a god figure (such as Jesus) was the child of a certain people or tribe (such as the tribe of Judah or the line of David).

Because eternal life belongs to the mythology and the tribesmen are those who collectively reproduce a God-figure in the caliber of Jesus to keep current with the advancement of the tribe.

Chili · 04-22-2007, 09:16 PM

Woman was never banned from Eden and never left the place. Eden, of course, exists inside the mind of man where this woman presides over the Tree of Life while the ego that became known as Adam was banished from Eden and took up residence in the Tree of Knowledge as the imposter and usurper of the volition of man. This Adam took the serpent to be his wife and called her Eve who titillates between the TOK and the TOL serving there as temple tramp (later we call her Magdalene). In Gen.3:15 it goes like this: "she will strike at your head while you strike at his heel."

So now picture Macbeth who's better half was Lady Macbeth but hath no name but Lady Macbeth to show that she was in charge of his destiny and willingly provoked a rebirth that of course was stained with blood from the TOK into the TOL similar to a sewer back-up into the house of God that flushed out a premature child as if from his mother's womb untimely ripped.

Compare this with Mary's canticle where she was held captive by the intergity of Joseph who was known to be an upright man as a direct result of her obedience in lowliness, to say that she was forever on the lookout to be of service while never making herself known as a target to be exploited as in a strike from the TOK into the TOL and so violate the virginity of Mary theotokos now marked with the stain of blood.

Of course these are just words but are presented to elaborate on the idea that there is reality behind myth which here identifies woman as the essence of life itself that is without a mandate of its own except to be ours and rightfully so. I mean, there never was a baby Jesus but the infancy of a new perspective on life is real that must be overwhelming if in the second go around only the sky is our limit.

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04-22-2007, 09:16 PM	#2
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	Woman was never banned from Eden and never left the place. Eden, of course, exists inside the mind of man where this woman presides over the Tree of Life while the ego that became known as Adam was banished from Eden and took up residence in the Tree of Knowledge as the imposter and usurper of the volition of man. This Adam took the serpent to be his wife and called her Eve who titillates between the TOK and the TOL serving there as temple tramp (later we call her Magdalene). In Gen.3:15 it goes like this: "she will strike at your head while you strike at his heel." So now picture Macbeth who's better half was Lady Macbeth but hath no name but Lady Macbeth to show that she was in charge of his destiny and willingly provoked a rebirth that of course was stained with blood from the TOK into the TOL similar to a sewer back-up into the house of God that flushed out a premature child as if from his mother's womb untimely ripped. Compare this with Mary's canticle where she was held captive by the intergity of Joseph who was known to be an upright man as a direct result of her obedience in lowliness, to say that she was forever on the lookout to be of service while never making herself known as a target to be exploited as in a strike from the TOK into the TOL and so violate the virginity of Mary theotokos now marked with the stain of blood. Of course these are just words but are presented to elaborate on the idea that there is reality behind myth which here identifies woman as the essence of life itself that is without a mandate of its own except to be ours and rightfully so. I mean, there never was a baby Jesus but the infancy of a new perspective on life is real that must be overwhelming if in the second go around only the sky is our limit.

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