Horatio Parker

I don't see a conflict.

"Church writers" can espouse the divine message of gMark and others can deny it. So?

aa5874

What divine message of gMark are you talking about?

In gMark, Jesus did NOT want the Jews to be converted but to remain in Sin.

gMark's Jesus was a DECEIVER.

Mark 4.11-12

Horatio Parker

My point is that ancient writers often cared less about facts than lessons.

One lesson the author of gMark is attempting to teach is that the spirit is greater than the flesh. So the point of the stone is not how large it was or how it was rolled away, but that it couldn't keep the spirit inside; the spirit is stronger than the stone, stronger even than death.

I believe "church writers" as you called them would consider that a divine message.

aa5874

Please, do not confuse the issue. People of the 1st century knew what fiction was.

Josephus wrote in the 1st century and was accused of writing Fiction by APION.

Please, see "Against Apion" attributed to Josephus.

When people claimed Jesus was only a man the Church writers claimed it was Fiction. And when Marcion claimed his Son of God came down from heaven WITHOUT Birth and Flesh into Capernaum the Church rejected Marcion as one of the Devil.

aa5874

Sinaiticus gMark has DESTROYED the HJ argument FOREVER. The significance of Sinaiticus gMark is another piece of DEVASTATING evidence against the history of the Church.

It must be remembered that gMark is considered to be the earliest Canonized Gospel and that the author was writing most likely AFTER the Fall of the Temple, AFTER 70 CE.

But, the Sinaiticus gMark when carefully Scrutinized reveals a MOST SHOCKING picture.

Sinaiticus gMark is NOT a GOSPEL

Sinaiticus gMark Jesus DIED in DISGRACE, ABANDONED, DENIED AND REJECTED.

Astonishingly, the very FIRST author of the Jesus story sometime AFTER the FALL of the Temple has NO GOOD NEWS of Jesus.

The very last he knew or heard was that:

1. Jesus wanted the Jews to REMAIN IN SIN.

2. JESUS did NOT want the Jews to know he was the Messiah.

3.There was ALREADY a person claiming to be the Messiah during the time of Jesus.

4.Judas betrayed Jesus on the night he was arrested.

5.The disciples ABANDONED Jesus when he was ARRESTED.

6.Jesus was REJECTED as the Messiah and Son of the Blessed.

7.Jesus was EXECUTED.

8.The body of Jesus could NOT be located on the 1st day of the week.

9.The visitor FLED from the EMPTY Tomb.

10.The visitors SAID NOTHING to anyone.

This is MOST SHOCKING NEWS from the author of Sinaiticus gMark.
DECADES after the supposed death of Jesus the Sinaiticus gMark author has NO GOOD NEWS. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

NOTHING WAS SAID to anyone.

The author WROTE NOTHING ABOUT THE GOSPEL of Paul and Nothing was written about a JESUS MOVEMENT.
DECADES LATER THERE IS NO GOSPEL, NO GOOD NEWS in SINAITICUS gMARK.

SINAITICUS gMark is NOT a GOSPEL.

DURING THE TIME OF WRITING, SINAITCUS GMARK JESUS WAS BAD NEWS . The author is telling his audience about BAD NEWS Jesus—the UNTOLD story

So When did gMark become a Gospel---Good NEWS?

It was AFTER Sinaiticus gMark and AFTER the Fall of the Temple that gMark was made into a Gospel.

The author of Sinaiticus gMark made NO report of EMBELLISHMENTS by any disciple AFTER Jesus was dead and his body missing.

At the time of writing Sinaiticus gMark which was most likely AFTER the Fall of the Temple there was NO gospel according to Mark.

To make Sinaiticus gMark into a GOSPEL gMark 16.9-20 was ADDED.

We don't need HJ for the Gospel, we just need a RESURRECTION.

The RESURRECTION was the Good NEWS.

J-D

Some of the statements about Jesus in the Sinaiticus version of Mark cannot be historically true; others might or might not be historically true.

aa5874

It is extremely important to remember that Sinaiticus gMark was most likely written AFTER the Fall of the Temple, after c 70 CE.

And that it must be understood that Sinaiticus Mark is NOT a Gospel.

At the time of writing Sinaiticus Mark is NOT Good News of Jesus or the disciples.

The author of Sinaiticus Mark does NOT know of any GOOD NEWS.

The author of Sinaiticus Mark does NOT know of any Jesus cult where the disciples of Jesus had the Gifts of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost.

The author of Sinaiticus Mark only KNOWS the BAD NEWS.

1. BAD NEWS---Jesus was BETRAYED, ABANDONED and DENIED by the disciples.

2.BAD NEWS---The JEWS REJECTED Jesus as a Messiah and Son of the Blessed and had him CRUCIFIED.

3. BAD NEWS---The VISITORS told NO-ONE anything AFTER they FLED DUMBSTRUCK from the EMPTY tomb.

It is NOT likely that the author of Sinaiticus Mark knew of Acts of the Apostles, the Pauline writings, gMatthew, gLuke, gJohn or any good News of the resurrection of Jesus.

Sinaiticus Mark has destroyed the history of the Church.

Acts of the Apostles, Paul and the Pauline writings were UNKNOWN when Sinaiticus Mark was written.

SINAITICUS MARK was BAD NEWS.

Mark 16.9-20 was the GOOD NEWS.

The GOSPEL of the RESURRECTION was AFTER SINAITICUS bad news MARK

The Gospel stories are NOT the EMBELLISHMENT of a MAN THEY ARE THE embellishment of SINAITICUS bad news MARK.

SINAITICUS bad news MARK is the PERFECT HJ argument killer and Pauline destroyer.

Bingo the Clown-O

It looks to me like Mark 16:17-18 was ADDED to complement certain passages in Acts.

Mark 16:17-18
“And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

Acts 4:7
And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, “By what power or by what name have you done this?”

Acts 4:9
If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, …

Acts 19:6
And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

Acts 28:5
But Paul shook the snake off into the fire and suffered no ill effects.

See what I mean?

aa5874

What you show appears to be extremely reasonable. Mark 16.9-20 appears to be a LATE addition and most likely AFTER Acts was written.

This also seems to be confirmed by the post-resurrection Commission of Jesus in gMatthew.

In gMatthew, the resurrected Jesus seems UNAWARE of the Promised Holy Ghost at the Day of Pentecost as stated in Acts and only COMMISSIONED the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Sinaiticus MARK is NOT ONLY BEFORE the Gospel story was known it is BEFORE the Pauline writings.

Sinaiticus MARK is NOT a GOSPEL. It does NOT CONTAIN any GOOD NEWS about Jesus AFTER he died in DISGRACE, ABANDONED, DENIED and REJECTED.

When Sinaiticus Mark was written the author appears to have NO GOOD NEWS to write about Jesus. HE HEARD NOTHING about Jesus after he died and his body was MISSING.

This passage is found in Sinaiticus Mark, the very LAST verse.
Mark 16.8
The author of Sinaiticus Mark heard NO good News of Jesus after it was claimed he died in Disgrace and his Body was Missing and promptly ENDED his story.

aa5874

Sinaiticus Mark is NOT a Gospel it is BAD NEWS about a character called Jesus. The author of S-Mark (Sinaiticus Mark) is telling, for the first time, an UNTOLD story about a character called Jesus who died in Disgrace, Abandoned, Denied and Rejected by the Jews and his OWN disciples.

S-Mark MUST or most likely PREDATED the ENTIRE NT CANON.

The NT CANON is about the GOOD NEWS of the resurrection.

S-Mark has NO theological value.

S-Mark contains the most critical words not found in any other book of the NT Canon.

Sinaiticus Mark 16.8 After the Fall of the Temple c 70 CE the Jesus story was UNKNOWN.

SINAITICUS-MARK PREDATES ALL BOOKS OF THE ENTIRE NT CANON.