nygreenguy

So i looked for a hile in the archives, and i couldnt find anything about failed or innacurate prophecy predictions OTHER than Tyre. Are there some? Are there some common apologetic claims TO fullfilled prophecy? (Such as the euro) If so, what are the arguments against?

Julian

Yeah, there have been some Babylon discussions (and probably others but that comes to mind immediately, it must be the moderator nightmares) but I beg of you, please don't resurrect those threads. I will come back to haunt you...

Julian

nygreenguy

Babylon? Is that the one about the "great evil government" or something? But there MUST be more, things having to do with the birth of jesus, or some other wacky crap the bible says that never came true.

Faldage

How about "His name shall be called Immanuel"?

nygreenguy

ummm...what about it? Cant say ive heard of it! Please, explicate!

fromdownunder

If you just key in Prophecy, you will get over 100 hits, many which deal with less than succesful prophecys. Look at the summary to each one, and you will find heaps of stuff.

Norm

nygreenguy

Actually, most of them seem to do with the more trivial stuff. They just hint at talking about prophecies, but then tend to trail off in meaningless debates about semantics, translation, etc.... I just cant seem to find anything that deals with what im looking for. Thats why i started this post. Perhaps next time, ill just leave out the part about me looking for anything beforehand (so people dont think im resurrecting the dead, and out if respect for not wanting to take up bandwidth on settled topics {although it happens all the time anyhow}) So, now, can anyone tell me what biblical prophecies have not come true, or which ones apologetics claim came true, but didn't.

David Vestal

Let's see, there's the one that prophesies what lands Abraham's seed will conquer, along with a verse later on that says that it didn't happen. I don't recall the references, though. There are also several prophecies mentioned in the new testament that happen not to exist in the old, such as the "sold for thirty pieces of silver" and "shall be called a Nazarene" prophecies.

fromdownunder

nygreenguy, most prophecy is trivial, and found by quote mining the OT (as the so called Jesus OT prophecys) after the event (or even after making up the event. And if you have read the Tyre threads here, you will find that they can be argued to have come true anyway, just as Nostrodamus and the Bible Codes (to name just two) can be argued to be true.

You mentioned the Euro. Are you referring to the common European currency?) If not, let me know. If so:

I think it is reasonable to suggest that regardless of who wins the World Cup, Wimbleton, the AFL premiership or where a tornado strikes sometime this year I could find a verse, or a code or something in almost any extensive literature that you choose in advance to say that this was foretold. Anything can be rationalised from anything else retrospectively, if you have the one true faith.

It may not stand up to scrutiny, but to the true believer, it does not have to.

Norm

Johnny Skeptic

Just go to the home page of the Secular Web and type "failed prophecies" into the Secular Web's search engine and you will find lots of the kind of evidence that you are looking for.