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Originally Posted by JoeWallack
JW:
Anyway, this site:
http://www.bookreviews.org/pdf/3094_3379.pdf
claims that the earliest extant manuscript is from the sixth century while the original is commonly dated 430. We still need an analysis of how this manuscript compares to later ones regarding TF.
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Actually it claims a date for the original of 370 with a first reference in 430
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Pseudo-Hegesippus’s De excidio Hierosolymitano (ca. 370 C.E.; quoted ca.430 C.E., with the earliest extant manuscript dating from the sixth century)
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Originally Posted by JoeWallack
We have the following good reasons to doubt that HP clearly referred to TF independent of E:
1) HP writes well after E (which has been the main objection here).
2) Time. Time creates uncertainty as to dating (HP original, earliest extant HP and lost/destroyed manuscript bridges).
3) Motive and Opportunity of Christianity to support Christian assertions and hide/destroy the evidence. Specifically, edit HP to make it conform to E. Biased evidence always needs to be discounted. For a religion such as Christianity where Winning (converts) is not just everything, it's the Only thing, we need a BaalMart typology discount.
4) Extant manuscript History. With a sixth century extant and 5th century original we have doubt as to what was original. We have added doubt as this was when Christianity was gaining control (probably not a coincidence) and it's suspicious that the original could not be preserved but a copy a century later could be for 1,500 years.
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The long-term survival of an original is very unusual the long-term survival of a copy made a century or so later much less so. (For a reasonably popular work there will be many copies in existence 200 years later each of which has a chance of long-term survival).
I'm not sure what point you're making.
Are you suggesting that the original copy of Pseudo-Hegesippus lacked any reference to the TF and a paraphrastic version was added later ?
If this is what you are suggesting then it seems unlikely.
Andrew Criddle
11-23-2004, 10:08 AM
