Sheshbazzar

I agree. However that is the crux of the matter.
It remains to be demostrated that any flesh and blood human 'Jesus', son of Mary and Joseph (or whoever) of the Bible ever existed as flesh and blood, breathing person.
Or has this Bibliical figure existed only as a character within a religious story from the beginning?
It would be a 'historical Jesus' but still no human being that had ever lived.

That is the kind of 'historical Jesus' ghost story I believe in, the one complete with its zombie Lazurus, and all those zombie saints comin' out of their graves, and Zombie Jesus all poked full of holes, walking through walls, and wantin folks to stick their fingers and hands through his holey ol carcass. And with Satan, and devils, and demons all hiding here and there and everywhere.

Give me that -old time religion! Give me that -old time religion! Give me that -old time religion! It was good enough for Peter! It was good enough for Paul! It was good enough for mother, It was good enough for Pa, And it good enought for Meee!

Pass around them thar serpents now boys! Rattlers they be!
An hand another quart o' that thar strick'nine poison!
Old time religion is done got me a'thirstin!

Give me that -old time religion! Give me that -old time religion! Give me that -old time religion!

aa5874

It is apparent that you are NOT aware that Jesus stories have been RECOVERED and dated.

In the RECOVERED Texts Jesus was 100% Myth--born of a Ghost and a woman, God the Creator, that walked on water, transfigured, resurrected and ascended.

There are ESTIMATED to be THOUSANDS of similar stories about Jesus.

Jesus is probably the BEST documented Myth character known to mankind.

Sheshbazzar

Damn tootin! There was a real and historical Jerusalem! a Temple! and a Jordan River! and Lake Genesert! there was a real and historical Pontius Pilate! and there really were Jews! and some really were Pharisee's! and Sadducees!.......and er, well, that about covers most of what is historical.

outhouse

LOL atleast you got my point, it's embarrassing others do not.


ignorant people claim 100% mythology :strawman:

aa5874

No one here argues that all characters mentioned in the Gospels did NOT exist.

Jesus is 100% myth as STATED in the NT, NOT Pilate, Tiberius and Caiaphas.

We have non-apologetic sources of antiquity that corroborate that Tiberius was Caesar, Pilate was Governor, Caiaphas was High Priest but NONE for Jesus the Son of a Ghost.

outhouse

its called cherry picking historicity, youve been doing it for as long as ive been here. Or speacial pleading with no backing evidence.


Pilate had the same historicity as jesus until the stone with his name was found recently. So we have a certain track record of historicity for certain charactors in the NT.

aa5874

Well, until you find the "Jesus stone" you are just blowing a lot of hot air. And further, Jesus is far worse than Pilate in the NT.

Pilate was a Governor even BEFORE the Stone was found.

Jesus was the Son of a Ghost.

You will NOT ever find a Stone with the name of a Ghost called Jesus the King of the Jews during the time of Pilate.

Well, what about the track record of the historicity of Satan??? Jesus and Satan was on the pinnacle of the Temple during the Temptation.

You are the Cherry Picker!!!! Pilate existed so SATAN existed???

What about the track record of the historicity of Gabriel the angel???

Pilate existed so Gabriel existed???

You are the Cherry Picker!!!!

You do NOT argue that SATAN and Gabriel were figures of history because Pilate was a figure of history in the NT.

You Cherry-picked Jesus.

Jesus was FATHERED by a Ghost in the same sources that mention Pilate was governor in the Canon.

Grog

[An aside--false dichotomy offered here.]

Diogenes the Cynic

I was being slightly facetious.

ApostateAbe

I don't think there is anything complicated about it. The "historical" Jesus simply refers to the human Jesus who actually lived and inspired the characters of Jesus in the Christian legends, whatever that Jesus may be. In the 18th century and onward, there was a movement to replace the Jesus of faith with the "rational" historical Jesus, using the New Testament canon and other historical sources. "Historicist" is word seemingly coined by mythicists, presumably denoting someone who believes that Jesus was a human being and not merely a myth or an invention of thought.