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deblb8889 · 11-12-2006, 06:14 PM

I am taking a World Religions class and have gotten stuck on the connection between Muhammad and Abraham. I know that I read somewhere that Muhammad was said to be a descendant of Abraham. I now can't find the reference for a paper I am doing on the similarities of Jesus and Muhammad. Has anyone else heard this claim? If so, where could I find it? Thanks...I'm pulling my hair out.

Toto · 11-12-2006, 08:07 PM

AFAIK the Muslims believe that they are all (not just Mohammed) descended from Abraham's other son, Ishmael.

From the above link:

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Descent from Ishmael
Muhammad is considered to be one of the many descendants of Ishmael. The oldest extant biography of Muhammad, compiled by Mohammed Ibn Ishak, and edited by Abu Mohammed Abd el Malik Ibn Hisham, opens:

This book contains the life of the Apostle of God: Muhammad was the son of Abd Allah, son of Abdu-l-Mottaleb, son of Hashim, son of Abd Menaf, son of Kussei, son of Kilab, son of Murra, son of Kaab, son of Luei, son of Ghalib, son of Fihr, son of Malik, son of Nadhr, son of Kinana, son of Khuzeima, son of Mudrika, son of Alya, son of Mudhar, son of Nizar, son of Maad, son of Adrian, son of Udd, son of Mukawwam, son of Nahor, son of Teira, son of Yarob, son of Yashyob, son of Nabit, son of Ishmael, son of Abraham, the Friend of God, son of Tara, son of Nahor, son of Sarukh, son of Rau, son of Falih, son of Eiber, son of Shalih, son of Arphakhsad, son of Shem, son of Noah, son of Lamek, son of Metushalakh, son of Khanukh, - who, as is believed, was the prophet Idris, the first prophet, and the first who wrote with the reed, - son of Yared, son of Mahaleel, son of Kainanan, son of Yanish, son of Sheth, son of Adam, to whom may God be gracious!

deblb8889 · 11-13-2006, 07:09 AM

toto, thank you so much! I knew I had not imagined that but could not find a credible source that backed it up. We are comparing the stories of Jesus and muhammed. They are so alike it is almost like the Muhammed story is Jesus revisited!

hokowo · 11-13-2006, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by deblb8889

toto, thank you so much! I knew I had not imagined that but could not find a credible source that backed it up. We are comparing the stories of Jesus and muhammed. They are so alike it is almost like the Muhammed story is Jesus revisited!

When you have gathered enough It would be interesting if you shared some of this similarities and differences.

Toto · 11-13-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by deblb8889

.... We are comparing the stories of Jesus and muhammed. They are so alike it is almost like the Muhammed story is Jesus revisited!

Jesus is a prophet in Islam, and Islamic scriptures were written after Christianity, so might have incorporated elements.

But I'd like to see how you compare the two stories. The genealogy looks like it might have been inspired by Jesus' genealogy. (I hope I spelled that right.) But Mohammed was not born of a virgin. He received his revelation from Allah later in his life, then led military campaigns and had 12 wives. He did not die for anyone's sins and was not crucified.

Raztafarian · 11-14-2006, 03:33 PM

There's a similar genealogy at this page.

Interestingly enough, there were 15 generations between Jesus and Muhammed which averages at 40 years / generation, although between Muhammed and the 12th Imam that value drops to about 27 years / generation.

Between Adam and Muhammed there are 47 or 49 generations, depending on your source and if we assume the conservative number of 40 years / generation, we get Adam, the first human* appearing at around 1270 BC, well after the invention of writing.

For Adam to appear at about 4004 BC* we require an average generational age of about 97 (and 125 years between Adam and Jesus if we assume that Jesus was born at or around 0 BC).

For Adam to have been contemporaneous with the first homo sapiens (200 kya) would require an average generational age of about 4,000. Since we know that Adam <930 yrs* and Noah was approx 950 yrs* when he died, this puts an extra burden on the other ancestors to delay procreation until they were in excess of 40 centuries old.

* - I don't believe this, by the way.

11-12-2006, 06:14 PM	#1
deblb8889 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Texas, USA Posts: 58	Abraham-Muhammad Question I am taking a World Religions class and have gotten stuck on the connection between Muhammad and Abraham. I know that I read somewhere that Muhammad was said to be a descendant of Abraham. I now can't find the reference for a paper I am doing on the similarities of Jesus and Muhammad. Has anyone else heard this claim? If so, where could I find it? Thanks...I'm pulling my hair out.

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deblb8889 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Texas, USA Posts: 58	Thank you! toto, thank you so much! I knew I had not imagined that but could not find a credible source that backed it up. We are comparing the stories of Jesus and muhammed. They are so alike it is almost like the Muhammed story is Jesus revisited!

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11-14-2006, 03:33 PM	#6
Raztafarian Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 67	There's a similar genealogy at this page. Interestingly enough, there were 15 generations between Jesus and Muhammed which averages at 40 years / generation, although between Muhammed and the 12th Imam that value drops to about 27 years / generation. Between Adam and Muhammed there are 47 or 49 generations, depending on your source and if we assume the conservative number of 40 years / generation, we get Adam, the first human* appearing at around 1270 BC, well after the invention of writing. For Adam to appear at about 4004 BC* we require an average generational age of about 97 (and 125 years between Adam and Jesus if we assume that Jesus was born at or around 0 BC). For Adam to have been contemporaneous with the first homo sapiens (200 kya) would require an average generational age of about 4,000. Since we know that Adam <930 yrs* and Noah was approx 950 yrs* when he died, this puts an extra burden on the other ancestors to delay procreation until they were in excess of 40 centuries old. * - I don't believe this, by the way.

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