Kassiana

Hell is an evil doctrine which is fully incompatible with any meaningful definition of love. Thus, it is utterly and always has been and always will be unGodly, as God is love.

Since I'm told I can't say this at CF, I'm going to say it here for a while. Maybe once or twice a day, as long as the Hell defenders keep whining about how wonderfully loving the idea of eternal torture is.

I Love Jesus

Oh, you totally changed my mind on that one. I've never thought that hell sucked before. [/sarcasm]

Kassiana

Seeing that I wasn't trying to change anyone's mind, but to blow off some steam at what I consider to be organized blasphemy and my inability to object to it as it should be objected to, can the sarcasm.

I Love Jesus

Fine. I'll can the sarcasm and tell you the truth.
Hell is not an evil doctrine, it is a true doctrine. It is more than a "doctrine," it is a reality.
It is the eternal separation from God, which is the fate of those who reject Him.
God loves everyone and desires them to be saved (why else would He create us?). But He also makes us free - free to reject Him.
For those who choose to reject Him - they get what they want, separation from God.
Where God is not, nothing good can exist, which is why hell is so evil. It is the absence of God, permanently.
Therefore it is not a blasphemy, and the fact that Jesus died for your soul and mine show just how a loving God can co-exist with the concept of hell.

Kassiana

Fine. I'll can the sarcasm and tell you the truth.
--I'd love to hear the truth. Let's see if what you say can reasonably be said to be the truth.

Hell is not an evil doctrine, it is a true doctrine.
--Unproven assertion. Not true.

It is more than a "doctrine," it is a reality.
--Unproven assertion. Not true.

It is the eternal separation from God, which is the fate of those who reject Him.
--Nonsense. No sane human being rejects God or wants to be eternally separated from God. Not true.

God loves everyone and desires them to be saved
--If that were true, then all are already saved. God wouldn't let petty humans dictate to Her or else She wouldn't be God.

But He also makes us free - free to reject Him.
--Nonsense. Untrue.

For those who choose to reject Him - they get what they want, separation from God.
--No person lives who chooses to reject God. Untrue.

Where God is not, nothing good can exist, which is why hell is so evil.
--Unproven assertion. Not true.

It is the absence of God, permanently.
--No such place exists. Not true. There is no hell.

Therefore it is not a blasphemy
--Yes, it is. Untrue.

the fact that Jesus died for your soul and mine
--This is not a fact, this is your religious belief. Untrue.

show just how a loving God can co-exist with the concept of hell.
--No loving God can exist with the concept of hell. It is the ultimate in hatred. Untrue.

I'd love to hear the truth from you some time. I hope you come to know that hell is blasphemy some day and thus can tell the truth instead of telling me these ridiculous unproven assertions.

I find it fairly ironic, as well, that when I vent to blow off some steam, rather than any of my friends compassionately reaching out to me, someone chooses to preach at me. It all comes down to doctrine over mercy every time for Christians with conservative theologies, doesn't it? Pathetic.

I Love Jesus

Kassiana,

If you actually would like to discuss something, perhaps a "Nonsense. Untrue." response to each of my points isn't the best way to go about things.

Me preach at you? You asked for it. And you came in here preaching at us, about something that has absolutely nothing to do with what anyone was talking about! Your blanket generalizations don't help either.
Doctrine over mercy? Yes, because you call a belief of mine "Organized blasphemy" I am supposed to pat you on the back and give you an ice cream. Come on.

Annabel Lee

'I love Jesus', you really have no business dictating to Kassiana the rules of this thread.
She can pop in anytime she feels like it and post what is on her mind. THIS thread is in Elsewhere. ALL of us are guests on Internet Infidels, and you are not a moderator here.
I'm sorry, but this pissed me off.

Kassiana...I would love to hear more of your thoughts on the nature of Hell.

Hey...anybody want to know what I've been doing this past week? I've been dealing with a very sick relative.
He actually died and was brought back. Total cardiac arrest, heart block etc etc etc.
My father died when I was a toddler, and he's my father's brother and is more than an uncle to me. But he is alive and is waiting to get a pacemaker.
The first thing he said when they removed the breathing tube was..."I can't be sick, I'm going to Laughlin for the Superbowl."

Hey, 'I love Jesus', did I screw up your thread by posting my thoughts?

Kassiana

ILJ:
If you actually would like to discuss something
--No, I didn't want to, particularly with someone who behaves like a self-righteous jerk to me.

Your assertions without evidence, by the way, were not "truth." They were your opinion.

ILJ:
Me preach at you? You asked for it.
--No, I didn't. Welcome to my ignore list. I specifically held back telling you {Edited}, though I really, really wanted to when I saw your nasty reply to my statement on here. I tried to let you know I wasn't feeling good so you'd stop preaching at me in the only place I can really discuss what I hate at CF with people who will at least try to understand me. You kept going. Good for you. Apparently Jesus is the only one you love. He can have you. Goodbye.

Annabel:
I'm sorry, but this pissed me off.
--Me too. Gods...and people wonder why CF's the snake pit it is...

Annabel:
Kassiana...I would love to hear more of your thoughts on the nature of Hell.
--It's really simple. One of the most common images about love of deity for us is that of a parent and a child. I am a parent and I have a child. I can tell you truthfully that under no circumstances would I torture her. She could call me by a different name than mine, ignore me for years, call someone else her mother, and I can truthfully say if I could spare her eternal pain, I would. And I'm supposed to believe that any God would do less than I? That's utter absurdity. The only way that could be true is if God's a jerk. I'm not a Calvinist so I don't think any God is a jerk. Therefore, no God would torture someone for eternity, because all Gods are full of love for us.

Sorry to hear about your sick relative, hon. Glad they brought him back. Post more of your thoughts any time. If you want to tell us what you think about the nature of hell, I'd love to hear it too.

Annabel Lee

Thanks Kassiana.

Hey! I watched 'Cold Comfort Farm' again the other night. When Amos was preaching and got to the famous line, "There will be no butter in Hell!", I thought of you...lol.

I liked his preaching sooo much I thought I'd post the it right here on this thread.

"Ye miserable, crawlin' worms. Are ye here again then? Have ye come like Nimshi, son of Rehoboam, secretly out of your doomed houses, to hear what's comin' to ye? Have ye come, old and young, sick and well, matrons and virgins, if there be any virgins amongst you, which is not likely, the world being in the wicked state that it is. Have ye come to hear me tell you of the great, crimson, licking flames of hell fire? Aye! You've come, dozens of ye. Like rats to the granary, like field mice when it's harvest home. And what good will it do ye? You're all damned! Damned! Do you ever stop to think what that word means? No, you don't. It means endless, horrifying torment! It means your poor, sinful bodies stretched out on red-hot gridirons, in the nethermost, fiery pit of hell and those demons mocking ye while they waves cooling jellies in front of ye. You know what it's like when you burn your hand, taking a cake out of the oven, or lighting one of them godless cigarettes? And it stings with a fearful pain, aye? And you run to clap a bit of butter on it to take the pain away, aye? Well, I'll tell ye, there'll be no butter in hell!"
--Amos Starkadder

I Love Jesus

Excuse me, but you have nothing to do with this. She came in to preach at everyone, then got mad because I responded to her.