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mountainman · 02-10-2012, 09:21 PM

But, if this Mark fragment is confirmed as from the first century,
what a thrill it will be
to have a manuscript that is dated within the lifetime
of many of the eyewitnesses to Jesus’ resurrection!

:deadhorse:

Steven Carr · 02-11-2012, 11:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs6PmAvzQj0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtDWQsby_0g give some idea of the size of fragments being touted by Daniel Wallace as refuting any claims made by Bart Ehrman that we cannot be sure that early Christians did not change the texts.

Toto · 02-15-2012, 06:52 PM

Ben Witherington on the Ripening of the Greek Collection

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... academics and students from a dozen universities are working under Dirk Obbink at Christ Church College (Oxford) on a papyrus project that will lead to major publications.

(I have a hunch that this is the dating of a fragment of Mark referred to above, and

Dirk_Obbink is the papyrologist whose opinion will date the fragment to the first century.)

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Equally exciting was the discussion of mummy masks which the Green Collection has acquired. While the masks are interesting in themselves and of historical importance, some of these masks used ancient manuscripts retrieved from a scrap heap in Egypt in places like Oxyrhynchus to serve as the paper mache inner lining of the mask. Scott Carroll says they have found both early Biblical manuscripts and early classics manuscripts (a lost work of Aristotle, the earliest copy of some of Demosthenes etc.). ...

Vorkosigan · 02-15-2012, 10:10 PM

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Equally exciting was the discussion of mummy masks which the Green Collection has acquired. While the masks are interesting in themselves and of historical importance, some of these masks used ancient manuscripts retrieved from a scrap heap in Egypt in places like Oxyrhynchus to serve as the paper mache inner lining of the mask. Scott Carroll says they have found both early Biblical manuscripts and early classics manuscripts (a lost work of Aristotle, the earliest copy of some of Demosthenes etc.). ...

Wonderful if true, but when I read this:

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This collection has been assembled at an incredible rate, since 2009, with the Green’s buying up all kinds of manuscripts and artifacts on the open market through Sotheby’s and other such auction houses. The results are stunning. Here is a little summary from a relevant website—

I just wonder how much of that is fake artifacts.

Vorkosigan

Steven Carr · 02-17-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

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This collection has been assembled at an incredible rate, since 2009, with the Green’s buying up all kinds of manuscripts and artifacts on the open market through Sotheby’s and other such auction houses. The results are stunning. Here is a little summary from a relevant website—

I just wonder how much of that is fake artifacts.

Vorkosigan

So a buyer with a lot of money turns up , buying things at an incredible rate, and within 2 years manuscripts turn up from a time period where no manuscripts have been found before.

That's a bit of luck, isn't it?

Vorkosigan · 02-18-2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

So a buyer with a lot of money turns up , buying things at an incredible rate, and within 2 years manuscripts turn up from a time period where no manuscripts have been found before.
That's a bit of luck, isn't it?

LOL. Just wait til the first artifacts from Jesus show up....

Vorkosigan

DCHindley · 02-18-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

So a buyer with a lot of money turns up , buying things at an incredible rate, and within 2 years manuscripts turn up from a time period where no manuscripts have been found before.
That's a bit of luck, isn't it?

LOL. Just wait til the first artifacts from Jesus show up....

Vorkosigan

You mean the famous menu for the last supper? (roast lamb)

DCH

Sheshbazzar · 02-19-2012, 11:48 AM

How about another certified genyou-wine Jeebus foreskin?

That ought bring in a pretty penny from the "traveling exhibit" yokels.

Dave31 · 02-19-2012, 12:21 PM

I recommend reading the thread here to see the original claims:

1st-century Mark Fragment Discovered?

Then read the blog:

1st-century Gospel of Mark Fragment Discovered?

What do you think?

Toto · 02-19-2012, 12:31 PM

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Dave31 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Posts: 425	1st-century Gospel of Mark fragment discovered? I recommend reading the thread here to see the original claims: 1st-century Mark Fragment Discovered? Then read the blog: 1st-century Gospel of Mark Fragment Discovered? What do you think?

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02-10-2012, 09:21 PM	#21
mountainman Contributor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Falls Creek, Oz. Posts: 11,192	But, if this Mark fragment is confirmed as from the first century, what a thrill it will be to have a manuscript that is dated within the lifetime of many of the eyewitnesses to Jesus’ resurrection! :deadhorse:

02-11-2012, 11:33 AM	#22
Steven Carr Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: England Posts: 5,629	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs6PmAvzQj0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtDWQsby_0g give some idea of the size of fragments being touted by Daniel Wallace as refuting any claims made by Bart Ehrman that we cannot be sure that early Christians did not change the texts.

02-19-2012, 11:48 AM	#28
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	How about another certified genyou-wine Jeebus foreskin? That ought bring in a pretty penny from the "traveling exhibit" yokels.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	There's already a thread on this - join the discussion

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