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Chili · 01-02-2013, 06:40 PM

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There is no one who denies the role of Constantine in making Jesus a governmentally supported entity.

Every Protestant does that. You know, those who people who taught you to read.

It really is time to catch up with the second millennium, the dawn of rationality and the end of grunting shitheads!

And discussion that can be taken seriously in the real world.

Well every protestant (generic), is wrong to say that Constantine robbed him from them. The real truth here is that Jesus does not deliver and for that Constantine gets the blame, which functionally proves that he was right.

Chili · 01-02-2013, 06:50 PM

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There is no one who denies the role of Constantine in making Jesus a governmentally supported entity.

Every Protestant does that. ....

?? Name one.

Most Protestants seem to think that Christianity took a wrong turn with Constantine and his governmental support.

Let's make a distinction here first and say that Christianity did not take a turn as it was an abomination already then, with scatterbrains yanking the mind of believers in everywhich way.

Nothing has changed as that is the nature of the beast.

They just do not have a clue, and I always thought that 'clueless' was a bridge term, but I think they borrowed it from the so called Christian church.

sotto voce · 01-02-2013, 07:06 PM

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There is no one who denies the role of Constantine in making Jesus a governmentally supported entity.

Every Protestant does that. ....

That's not what I wrote.

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?? Name one.

Name a Protestant. The person that Constantine called 'Jesus' was, and remains, a figment. Like Bugs Bunny.

So a correct statement is as follows:

There is no one who denies the role of Constantine in claiming Jesus to be a governmentally supported entity.

Just as a hospital porter can claim to be a surgeon. Or as Constantine could be claimed to be the thirteenth apostle.

It's the world of bullshit, the fantasy world of Bullneck.

So onward and upward to the Renaissance!

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Most Protestants seem to think that Christianity took a wrong turn with Constantine and his governmental support.

What seems to be true, and what is true, are not always the same thing.

One can spend one's whole life tilting at windmills.

mountainman · 01-03-2013, 04:35 PM

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There is no one who denies the role of Constantine in making Jesus a governmentally supported entity.

That being the case is there no one who denies that governments can be corrupted and can openly publish false propaganda.

mountainman · 01-03-2013, 04:38 PM

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The person that Constantine called 'Jesus' was, and remains, a figment. Like Bugs Bunny.

The following is extracted from Constantine's very nasty letter to Arius ...

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(30.) According to hypothesis do you accept
as a figment him who has condemned
the figments of the heathen?

Toto · 01-03-2013, 05:56 PM

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There is no one who denies the role of Constantine in making Jesus a governmentally supported entity.

That being the case is there no one who denies that governments can be corrupted and can openly publish false propaganda.

Of course governments can be corrupted and publish falsehoods.

That doesn't make it even close to likely that this is the explanation for Christian origins

Please stop pussyfooting around. If you had any real evidence for your theory that Eusebius forged all early Christian documents, you could just present it.

Chili · 01-03-2013, 07:26 PM

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There is no one who denies the role of Constantine in making Jesus a governmentally supported entity.

That being the case is there no one who denies that governments can be corrupted and can openly publish false propaganda.

Of course governments can be corrupted and publish falsehoods.

That doesn't make it even close to likely that this is the explanation for Christian origins

Please stop pussyfooting around. If you had any real evidence for your theory that Eusebius forged all early Christian documents, you could just present it.

Not sure if you can call it corrupt, as on day 1 of Anthro 101 we learn that the mythology is for the well being and prosperity of the tribe.

From this would follow that freedom of religion is not a human right, while freedom from religion is, wherefore the Senate is chosen and is not elected by popular opinion, so it can serve the lower House of Commons as the subconscious mind of man would inspire the conscious mind, about not only money matters but also human affairs for the well being of all.

Then also understand that religion should also be only a small part of life representing only contemplative thoughts from the rich man's table, rather than pondering thoughts at the head of this table, as then even the wrong country might get bombed by those in power.

sotto voce · 01-04-2013, 01:55 AM

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The person that Constantine called 'Jesus' was, and remains, a figment. Like Bugs Bunny.

The following

... is completely irrelevant. As we know extremely well, the 'Jesus' that filth promoted was nothing whatever like the Jesus of the NT.

Discussion here must be about the Bible, or the second millennium, or be completely irrelevant.

Robert Tulip · 01-04-2013, 06:36 AM

The origin of the majesty of Christ is in the idea of a cosmic king. A king traditionally connects earth to heaven, conferring divine blessing upon society. The majestic Christ, Pantocrator, is the universal ideal of humanity as king of the poor. See also Christ in Majesty.

The cosmic astrotheology in the Jesus Myth arises from the idea of Christ as avatar of the Age of Pisces, as alpha and omega of precession of the equinoxes. The observed astronomical movement of the spring point into Pisces in 21 AD required that Christ be located within the time of Pilate. This moment was arguably understood in ancient cosmology as the attunement of heaven and earth, when the seasons and signs were aligned. This is an entirely possible scientific interpretation, as a logical explanation of the growth of the Christ Myth in the common era.

The majestic Christ answers a sphinxian hermetic riddle, what is the same above and below? Or in terms of the Lord's Prayer, how can thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?

The majestic idea of Christ as ruler of the world ostensibly humbles the empire, with an assertion that the last are first. This claim has been a pretense, based on the idea that kingly legitimacy, the mandate of heaven, derives from solidarity with the people. Such messianic solidarity is seen as subversive, so the majesty of Christ is displaced into the second coming.

The majesty of Christ answers the ontological question of how temporal secular worldliness is redeemed by eternal sacred divinity. Those with no need of salvation have no need of majesty, or of the presence of grace and love in the world. Without majesty, existence is rather bleak and empty.

Chili · 01-04-2013, 07:06 AM

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My view is that the origin of the majesty of Christ is cosmic. A king traditionally connects earth to heaven, conferring divine blessing upon society. The majestic Christ, Pantocrator, illustrates the universal ideal of humanity as king of the poor. See also Christ in Majesty.

The cosmic astrotheology in the Jesus Myth arises from the idea of Christ as avatar of the Age of Pisces, as alpha and omega of precession of the equinoxes. The observed astronomical movement of the spring point into Pisces in 21 AD required that Christ be located within the time of Pilate. This moment was arguably understood in ancient cosmology as the attunement of heaven and earth, when the seasons and signs were aligned. This is an entirely possible scientific interpretation, as a logical explanation of the growth of the Christ Myth in the common era as the answer to a sphinxian Nicely put, but notice how you use the word Christhermetic riddle, what is the same above and below? Or in terms of the Lord's Prayer, how can thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?

The majestic idea of Christ as ruler of the world ostensibly humbles the empire, with an assertion that the last are first. This claim has been a pretense, based on the idea that kingly legitimacy, the mandate of heaven, derives from solidarity with the people. Such messianic solidarity is seen as subversive, so the majesty of Christ is displaced into the second coming.

The majesty of Christ answers the ontological question of how temporal secular worldliness is redeemed by eternal sacred divinity. Those who have no need of salvation have no need of majesty, or of the presence of grace and love in the world. Without majesty, existence is rather bleak and empty.

Nicely put and well presented, but notice how you use the word Christ instead of Jesus, to whom the majesty belongs and not Jesus.

Jesus is the way but is not the end, as finally is shown in John with his words from the cross: Woman, there is your son, son there is your mother, and then his final words: "it is finished," he spoke.

So the majesty belongs to Christ and not to Jesus, and it still seems, even today, that only Constantine knew the difference here.

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Robert Tulip Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 635	The origin of the majesty of Christ is in the idea of a cosmic king. A king traditionally connects earth to heaven, conferring divine blessing upon society. The majestic Christ, Pantocrator, is the universal ideal of humanity as king of the poor. See also Christ in Majesty. The cosmic astrotheology in the Jesus Myth arises from the idea of Christ as avatar of the Age of Pisces, as alpha and omega of precession of the equinoxes. The observed astronomical movement of the spring point into Pisces in 21 AD required that Christ be located within the time of Pilate. This moment was arguably understood in ancient cosmology as the attunement of heaven and earth, when the seasons and signs were aligned. This is an entirely possible scientific interpretation, as a logical explanation of the growth of the Christ Myth in the common era. The majestic Christ answers a sphinxian hermetic riddle, what is the same above and below? Or in terms of the Lord's Prayer, how can thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven? The majestic idea of Christ as ruler of the world ostensibly humbles the empire, with an assertion that the last are first. This claim has been a pretense, based on the idea that kingly legitimacy, the mandate of heaven, derives from solidarity with the people. Such messianic solidarity is seen as subversive, so the majesty of Christ is displaced into the second coming. The majesty of Christ answers the ontological question of how temporal secular worldliness is redeemed by eternal sacred divinity. Those with no need of salvation have no need of majesty, or of the presence of grace and love in the world. Without majesty, existence is rather bleak and empty.

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