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TruthCounsellor · 02-20-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

That surprises me! I would have thought that God would have had a bit more power than simple deception! That sounds like something that a mere mortal would resort to!

Not revealing everything that you happen to know is not deceptive. Typically, most call it being smart, or wise. Information control is simply one technique that's part of good management. Men learned that from God. Not vice versa. Wars are won or lost with the right or wrong information.

TC

TruthCounsellor · 02-20-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

By "not all the details," don't you mean "nothing whatsoever?"

No. How silly to even think I might have meant that.

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Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

Can you name a single verse in the Hebrew Bible that predicts either the death or the resurrection of the Messiah?

Don't know if I can, as I haven't tried before. A "single verse" typically doesn't give much room to reveal the context and meaning of any particular prophecy or foreshadow of that which is yet to come. So, I suspect that answer to your question might very well be, no. It's probably going to take reading and perceiving the prophetic meaning of a fair number of verses.

TC

sakrilege · 02-20-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TruthCounsellor

Information control is simply one technique that's part of good management.

So much for free will then if god is affecting the outcome of events.

TruthCounsellor · 02-20-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sakrilege

So much for free will then if god is affecting the outcome of events.

Since when did either the volume or quality of the information that you have ever remove or prevent your ability to choose? Sure, it might have affected or influenced your choice. But, it didn't remove all choice from you, did it?

TC

judge · 02-20-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by show_no_mercy

Where do Christians get this stuff from? Is it actually prophesized about in the OT, or did Christians just make it up to account for Jesus' death?

Try Acts chapter 2 or even Acts chapter 4

show_no_mercy · 02-20-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by judge

Try Acts chapter 2 or even Acts chapter 4

Acts isn't the OT.

judge · 02-20-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by show_no_mercy

Acts isn't the OT.

No but the OT is in the NT

IOW you will find certain OT passages mentioned and interpreted in the NT

The Great Speaker · 02-20-2005, 02:00 PM

Actually the origins of the story in the book of Revelations are Hebrew, but because Christians believe (And I'm not going to go into arguments about whether Jesus is the messiah or not) Jesus to be the messiah, in the new testament it refers to the messiah in the story as Jesus Christ...So shouldn't you be asking were the Hebrews get this stuff.

But it's obvious were the Hebrew got these ideas, through their interprutation of the world around them and their belief system.

The same way Hawkins came up with the Big Bang theory, observation and interprutation, my boy!

The Great Speaker has once again spoken!

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The Great Speaker Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Great Britain Posts: 26	Actually the origins of the story in the book of Revelations are Hebrew, but because Christians believe (And I'm not going to go into arguments about whether Jesus is the messiah or not) Jesus to be the messiah, in the new testament it refers to the messiah in the story as Jesus Christ...So shouldn't you be asking were the Hebrews get this stuff. But it's obvious were the Hebrew got these ideas, through their interprutation of the world around them and their belief system. The same way Hawkins came up with the Big Bang theory, observation and interprutation, my boy! The Great Speaker has once again spoken!

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