adzzy

Jesus was killed on a roman execution device for sedition, Pontius Pilate even sardonically placed "the king of the jews" in 3 languages to make sure EVERYBODY knew what he was being executed for. What do you think Caiaphas was? a jewish representative or a roman puppet?

Justin Martyr mentions the Acts of Pontius Pilate, so one would assume that they really existed prior to the 5th century forgery, and it would be quite odd to tell an Emperor he can look at them himself if he can't when pleading for his life, so it seemed Pontius Pilate did mention Jesus' execution for sedition.

Chris Weimer

IMVHO, the destruction of the temple is one of the many aspects of the "eternal punishment" of the Jews, although primarily I had in mind the snatching away of the promise of Jesus from the Jews only to all the Gentiles instead, which is irrevertable.

achristianbeliever

What does that mean the Jewish rejected Jesus? Is there a certain number needed before one can say the Jews accepted Jesus? If 10% of all Jews in all of history said they believed in Jesus and 90% didn't does that mean many rejected or many accepted? How do we define failure or success in terms of Jesus reaching the Jews?

Rodney Stark in his bok Rise of Christianity says, "Everyone knows that the Jews rejected the Christian message. But how do we know this?" (pg. 50).

"There is recent physical evidence suggesting that the Christian and Jewish communities remained closely linked-intertwined even-until far later than is consistent with claims about the early and absolute break between church and synagogue" (pg.68).

It is fun to say that the Jews rejected Jesus. It makes the whole Christian gospel ironic. But how do we define it? In the end it merely comes down to a matter of perspective on history. Glass half-empty, half-full controversy.

Johnny Skeptic

But what about today?

The point is, what indicates that God made a land promise to Abraham and that God is responsible for the survival of the Jewish people?

freigeister

Here ya go.

andrewcriddle

The Bible claims that God chose and elected Israel. The preservation of the Jewish people is a fulfilment of that divine purpose. And shows the consistency of God.

(I'm not replying to the other points. Some are off-topic in this thread some are off-topic in this forum.)

Andrew Criddle

Johnny Skeptic

Yes, but there is no evidence that such was the case.

It does not show any such thing. If you had 10 million children, and you were trying to protect them, would you allow millions of them to be killed? Of course you wouldn't. Titus invaded Palestine in 70 A.D., killed many thousands of Jews and destroyed the Temple. In the early part of the 2nd century, Trajan went to Palestine to deal with a Jewish uprising and killed voer 500,000 Jews. Hitler killed over 6 million Jews. Today, Israel is a police state, the vast majority of Jews who live there are not Christians, and a sizeable percentage of them resent being proselytized by Christians. If anything, the history of the Jewish people indicates that God failed to protect them in a manner that is consistent with what most people consider to be protection from a supreme being.