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Amedeo · 05-06-2007, 10:26 PM

About the presence of "Hebrew" in the Bible:

From Wikipedia:

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Hebrews (or Heberites, Eberites, Hebreians; Hebrew: עברים or עבריים, Standard ʿIvrim, ʿIvriyyim Tiberian ʿIḇrîm, ʿIḇriyyîm; meaning "descendants of biblical Patriarch Eber"),....,

Genesis 10:21. Sons were also born to Shem, whose older brother was Japhet: Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber.

"Hebrew" and "Japheth" are proto-Greek words; "Shem" is likely to be, too. The etym of Shem [Sh-M] occurs in
-- SAMOsata, city by the Euphrates;
-- SAMOS or SAME^, the island by the west coast of Anatolia;
-- SAME^ or SAMOS, the island near Ithaca, by the Epirus.
The generic adjective SEMnos (for SEBnos) = venerable, honorable, majestic. (Sebastos = to be venerated; august.)

Genesis:10 continues to this effect: One of the sons of Shem was Arphaxad, who was the father of Shelah, who was the father of Eber. (A descendant of Eber will be Abraham.)

In Greek there occurs a shift from P to Ph, or vice-versa. As "arphax(ad)" does not seem to occur as such, I looked for "arpax(ad)." The -ad can be either toponymic or patronimic as in TroAD or PriamID.

There are no fewer than three sets of Greek words that related to the etym "arph-/arp-":

-- Arpaleos = rapacious, avid.
Arpuai = the rapacious ones, the Furies.
Arpasos, a river in the Pontos.

-- `Arpage^ = robbery, sack, abduction.
Arpa`ge^ = hook, harpoon.
Arpazo = I grab, sack, rob.

-- `Arpax (/arpagos) = [adj.] rapacious, avid;
[noun, person] = predator, abductor;
[noun, act] = plunder, abduction.

So, Arphaxad can be defined as Predator.

Shelah [Sh-L-] is found in the Greek SELA [root: Sel- or Ser-] = fire, flash, splendor. An affine feminine noun is Selene, = moon; moonlight. Seleukos (Macedonian: Zaleukos) was a king of Syria.

Amedeo · 05-07-2007, 01:24 PM

Cf.:

Quote:

Hebrew =

-- (Hebrew) IBRI or IVRI [masculine], referring to people;
-- (Hebrew) IVRIT ['IVRITH] (feminine), referring to people.

My earliest information about the word was this: The Egyptians called the Israelites Habiri [an extended form of Habri or Ibri], which allegedly meant something like "bandit." [or brigand].....

Now I have found one specific specific source in
d. The Land of Canaan 2001. The Encyclopedia of World History
http://www.bartleby.com/67/103.html

Quote:

c. 1450–1365

SECOND PERIOD OF EGYPTIAN DOMINATION. Tuthmosis III (See 1490–1426) reestablished Egyptian political control over Syria, placing a garrison in Ugarit. Egyptian power loosened under Akehnaten (1364–1347), and the Hittite Empire exerted increasing control on the region. The Amarna Letters, written by vassal kings in Palestine to the Egyptian pharaohs, give some information on political and social history. The society was feudal, with a nobility of chariot warriors and serfs beneath. One segment of the population became outlaws and mercenaries, the so-called Hapiru, who often attacked and even took over Canaanite cities. A connection with the later Hebrews is possible, but problematic. In the late 14th century, the Akhlamu, possible forerunners of the Arameans, began to enter Syria (See 1364–1347). In 1270, Egypt and the Hittites divided Syria by treaty, with the boundary at the Eleutheris River (Nahr el-Kebir) (See 1289–1224))

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In my other thread on recent researches, I pointed out that no matter when the Table of Nations was composed (or written down), the mentioned and recognizable nations are such that, from OUR knowledge of history, it could not have been composed before 1700 B.C. or so. If there are some 300 years between Shem and Abraham, then Abraham lived around 1400 B.C.

According to the Bible Story, it was people who moved eastward from Babylon that buit the famous tower. And it was from these environs that Abaham, wandering about what these people would do next, led the Hebrews into Egypt.(I have practically established that the Hebrews were also called Aramaeans.)

Was it Egypt or Egypt-dominated Canaan [Aram/Syria and what will be called Phoenicia and Palestine, and some more -- west of the Euphrates]? The aforecited Second Period of Egyptian Domination was between 1450 and 1365. And its is in this period that the Hapiru were reported. If the Hapiru were the Hebrews, then a time came when, after the Bible-mentioned and God-sanctioned plunder, they came out of Egypt and moved to deserted lands for some years before coming down from the north-west into "Palestine" -- the route I indicated in another post, whereby I precluded any crossing of the Red Sea -- and started the occupation that eventually went farther than Jerusalem in the south.

This whole period of history has to be researched further, beginning with the Hapiru and Abraham's Hebrews who, as a covenant tribe, were to to be called the Israelites.

The research continues...

RED DAVE · 05-07-2007, 02:32 PM

From Amadeo:

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(I have practically established that the Hebrews were also called Aramaeans.)

Sources, please.

RED DAVE

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