Doug Shaver

I used to be a liberal Christian. I never said that nor thought it. What I believed about the Bible had nothing to do with what I wished were true.

Doug Shaver

I don't think I have been slighted.

People have told me that God will reveal himself to me in certain circumstances. I have put myself in those circumstances, and nothing happened. What I think is not that I have been slighted, but that the peope who told me God would reveal himself were in error.

Angra Mainyu

But weren’t our beliefs based on the information available to us?

Anyway, with regard to things that people want to be true, I have a few questions:

Do you want people who die atheists, to be tortured forever?
Or do you think that they shouldn’t be treated in such manner?
How about those liberals who consider themselves Christians – who are Christians too, in my view?
How about Catholics – also Christians, but maybe not to you?

In general, do you want Hell to be real?

Another question for you: what do you think happens to people who die before hearing about the Bible? (babies, for instance, but adults as well).

EnemyPartII

I think its possibly closser to 100% of leading geologists say there was no global flood.

Is there a single piece of evidence in the geological record that indicates a global flood?

Ignostic Morgan

Rhutchin,why don't you show that the Bible is inerrant without quoting from i? Why don't you show that Yahweh is just when the book shows the opposite? Why don't you show you know what you are stating when rational people show the opposite?Why don't you answer my previous points if you can show them wrong as they hit hard against your irrationalism? Why do you love being irrational?Your ego is so fragile you have to have an invisible friend to give you ulitmate purpose and divine love and a future state. :banghead: Johnny Skeptic,I wish you would devastate the historography of " I don't have enough Faith to be an Atheist," to further undermine Rhutchin's nonsense!:angel:

rhutchin

Why? that position means nothing to anyone unelss they take the Bible seriously. Why would you care whether people think it is inerrant?

I am not aware of a problem here.

Don't know what your issue is here.

I will try, if you will explain them.

I don't.

What does it say about your ego if you hide your head in the sand and are afraid to address the unknown?

That would be interesting. Start a thread JS.

rhutchin

It would be nice if it were true. My sense is that people do not always consider the information available to them.

1. If I had my way, no one would die an atheist.
2. People should be treated consistent with their desires. If Angra Mainyu has no desire to enter into heaven, why not let Angra Mainyu stay outside?
3. Many people consider themselves to be Christian. Are they?
4. Catholics consider themselves to be Christian. Are they all Christian?

It would be nice if there were no hell.

The Bible says that God saves whom He will. Consequently, God can save every baby or none. God can ensure that those whom he wants to save become saved through whatever means He decides to use. If God decides to save people by reading the Bible, then those whom God wants to save will have access to a Bible and will be able to read it.

rhutchin

Not knowing what those circumstances are, I would tend to agree with you.

rhutchin

Given that you "used to" call yourself a Christian, we might conclude that whatever you believed about the Bible was not significant given that you gave it up.

rhutchin

As it turns out all people, rational minded or not, make a choice between God and satan. They follow one or the other. To follow God is to reject satan and to follow satan is to reject God. There is no middle ground available.

Odds do not matter here. If God is that entity described in the Bible and a person follows Him and thereby rejects satan, then that person will be saved. If, as you imagine, satan might really be the source of the Bible and it is a lie, then all people end up following satan. Consequently, if a person follows God, he gains if God is real. If God is not real, it does not matter what a person does. Regardless of the odds, the smart money bets that God is real because that is the only position that has a positive payoff.