Originally Posted by patcleaver

Your obviously right team FathomFFI, both Pliny and Tacitus must have both had access to Roman records regarding Jesus Christ because they both agree that Christianity is a superstition.

The Romans never called religious beliefs superstitions unless they had irrefutable evidence.

There were probably documents in Roman records that absolutely proved that Jesus of Nazareth, and his crucifixion were just fictions. They probably investigated it and had sworn statements by Mark that his gospel was just a fictional story and statements by Paul that his epistles were just a hoax.

Tacitus says:

"Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate, and the pernicious superstition was checked for a moment, only to break out once more, not merely in Judea, the home of the disease, but in the capital itself, where all things horrible or shameful in the world collect and find a vogue."

Tacitus' irrefutable testimony from Roman records is that it is a mischievous superstition that "Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate". Thanks for establishing irrefutably that Christianity is just an ignorant superstitious fiction.

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Tacitus said that Christian beliefs are superstition. Tacitus says that its a superstition that "Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate". He says its all a lie, and you say of course that Tacitus proved it from the Roman records. Then you say that Pliny also said that Christianity is a superstition, a fiction, and he also had proof based on Roman records.

Tacitus says that its a superstition that Christus founded the religion.

Tacitus says its a superstition that Christus was executed in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate.

Pliny said that Christian beliefs are superstition, and you say that what Pliny said is true because he had access to Roman records.

Thank the FSM that the Romans kept such exact records so we could know that Christianity is just a fictitious superstition.

Originally Posted by FathomFFI

And you can't understand that Tacitus says no such thing?

Great, another poster boy for Team FFI's concept of what a Jesus Myther is.

Originally Posted by jules?

Lets first deal with the messiah executed by Pilate. [assuming it genuine for arguments sake]

Where is there any data to suggest this happened circa 33?

Originally Posted by FathomFFI

Because it mentions Pontius Pilate, and history has him as the Perfect/Procurator of Judea from AD 26 - 36. These dates are ascertained from following the writings of Josephus, as well as the dating on the Pilate inscription discovered in 1961, which is dated between AD 26 - 37.

Therefore, circa AD 33 is dead on.

Originally Posted by patcleaver

Your obviously right team FathomFFI, both Pliny and Tacitus must have both had access to Roman records regarding Jesus Christ because they both agree that Christianity is a superstition.

The Romans never called religious beliefs superstitions unless they had irrefutable evidence.

There were probably documents in Roman records that absolutely proved that Jesus of Nazareth, and his crucifixion were just fictions. They probably investigated it and had sworn statements by Mark that his gospel was just a fictional story and statements by Paul that his epistles were just a hoax.

Tacitus says:

"Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate, and the pernicious superstition was checked for a moment, only to break out once more, not merely in Judea, the home of the disease, but in the capital itself, where all things horrible or shameful in the world collect and find a vogue."

Tacitus' irrefutable testimony from Roman records is that it is a mischievous superstition that "Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate". Thanks for establishing irrefutably that Christianity is just an ignorant superstitious fiction.

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Tacitus said that Christian beliefs are superstition. Tacitus says that its a superstition that "Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate". He says its all a lie, and you say of course that Tacitus proved it from the Roman records. Then you say that Pliny also said that Christianity is a superstition, a fiction, and he also had proof based on Roman records.

Tacitus says that its a superstition that Christus founded the religion.

Tacitus says its a superstition that Christus was executed in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate.

Pliny said that Christian beliefs are superstition, and you say that what Pliny said is true because he had access to Roman records.

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You told us that the testimony of Pliny that Christianity is a superstition was based on official Roman records - that it was accurate history and not hearsay.

You told us that the testimony of Tacitus that Christianity was a pernicious superstition was based on official Roman records and was accurate history and not hearsay.

Tacitus tells us what Christians believe:

"Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate"

Then Tacitus says that it is a "pernicious superstition".

You tell us that Tacitus knows that its a "pernicious superstition" based on his access to official Roman records that prove that Christian beliefs are just a superstition.